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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 4529620" data-attributes="member: 11697">I really don't understand the claim that pretty much any pre-4e outsider that wasn't modeled upon (or just usurped the name of) something from mythology only existed because of symmetry (this isn't saying that you made that claim, but it's a general observation that I've seen the claim tossed around rather often). You can have cool races that fit distinct concepts without being there just to fill out a spot in a spreadsheet.Not all of them are even dice shaped. In fact the most common modrons, the monodrones, are spherical. They're no sillier than beholders, and frankly they're a lot more alien and difficult for PCs to understand because of their generally limited sphere of awareness within and outside of their own hierarchy. The image of a hundred thousand lower caste modrons marching through a town on the outlands with little or no comprehension of the act except that they were ordered to do so by say, a secundus, is cold and scary, and the secundus would understand the why of it all, and be capable of perfectly rationalizing it with zero empathy or malice, just cold, mathematical perfection.</blockquote>