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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 4529768" data-attributes="member: 32536">It is not that modrons are not interesting because of the symmetry (like them or hate them, they are weird enough to be interesting and I find them entertaining as much as I wish they were something different), it is that they simply don't fit in their position. They are a round peg in a square hole.Angels and demons play an undeniable part of culture, and have for millenia. They fit into well-understood, recognizable roles. Even descriptions of them as the "inhabitants of heaven" and the "inhabitants of hell" don't go anywhere far enough to really cover the full extent of their place in the world. Modrons simply don't have that, and thus, when they inevitably get put forward as being equals to angels or demons and fulfilling the same role, then the comparison is unfavorable.Besides, they are there to fill out symmetry. In all its absurd foolishness, the Great Wheel needs to have Lawful outsiders to manage the Lawful people who drift to the Lawful plane of Mechanus. The entire situation, based upon an unnecessary lawful-alignment extension of the afterlife (an afterlife built upon the idea that evil people go to hell because that is how the evil gods want to reward their service, rather than because they are being punished for their evil ways) is so far removed from anything the player can relate to that it is simply silly.I really wouldn't mind it if the Modrons were just described as being inhabitants of some outer plane, like countless other planat creatures are, but their roles as "outsiders of perfect law" just doesn't work well. They don't even really interact with mortals on behalf of the forces of law like angels and devils do...That is mostly irrelevent, really. Well, except for the part that, in my opinion, a perfect sphere should be one of the highest forms a creatuer of pure mathematical order should aspire to, not the lowest... Beholders are very silly. Also, the fact that Modrons are hard to relate to is a strike against them, not something in their favor.It is not cold and scary in the least. It wanders entirely between normal (for an organized army of beings) and silly (especially the whole random marching for no explicable purpose thing). Also, I really see little real expression of "mathematical perfection" anywhere in the Modron race as they have been previously described. Actually, I am struggling to understand what the term "mathematical perfection" is really supposed to mean... Math is anything but perfect, and this becomes clearer and clearer the further you go in its study.</blockquote>

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