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<blockquote data-quote="MonkeyDragon" data-source="post: 4042241" data-attributes="member: 23929">This is the crux of it for me.&nbsp; Although I don't mind if off-stage events are told in a way that's more dramatic and bends the rules a bit, if something happens that seems very out of whack, It will make me think that something funny is going on.There are plenty of times as a DM that I have had things happen that appear entirely against the rules, or in some other way just doesn't jive with what the players expect.&nbsp; This is generally a clue to them that something out of the ordinary is going on, and they should chek it out.The drow example to me is just railroading.&nbsp; The King example, I might buy, depending on how it's described.&nbsp; As a PC I would investigat the matter quite carefully if I was able, looking for some sort of explaination.&nbsp; If NPCs (or the scene of the death, if I was able to see it myself) can tell me that it was a tragically unlucky accident, ok.&nbsp; The horse spooked at a snake, threw the king, he hit his head on a rock and died.&nbsp; Sucks.&nbsp; I can reverse engineer that situation to fit the rules, mostly with what was mentioned above, such as a failed massive damage save.&nbsp; However, if all I get is &quot;we don't know how this could have happened, he's an accomplished horseman and there was nothing around to suggest that anything weird happened!&quot; then Something's gotta be up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MonkeyDragon, post: 4042241, member: 23929"] This is the crux of it for me. Although I don't mind if off-stage events are told in a way that's more dramatic and bends the rules a bit, if something happens that seems very out of whack, It will make me think that something funny is going on. There are plenty of times as a DM that I have had things happen that appear entirely against the rules, or in some other way just doesn't jive with what the players expect. This is generally a clue to them that something out of the ordinary is going on, and they should chek it out. The drow example to me is just railroading. The King example, I might buy, depending on how it's described. As a PC I would investigat the matter quite carefully if I was able, looking for some sort of explaination. If NPCs (or the scene of the death, if I was able to see it myself) can tell me that it was a tragically unlucky accident, ok. The horse spooked at a snake, threw the king, he hit his head on a rock and died. Sucks. I can reverse engineer that situation to fit the rules, mostly with what was mentioned above, such as a failed massive damage save. However, if all I get is "we don't know how this could have happened, he's an accomplished horseman and there was nothing around to suggest that anything weird happened!" then Something's gotta be up. [/QUOTE]

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