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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 7934322" data-attributes="member: 6677017">The 5e Monster Manual makes a lot of classic monsters into pretty low-level threats. There are things that traditionally could make a cool solo or boss monster as part of the classic D&amp;D experiences for low-level characters, that just can't in 5e unless your party is level 1 or 2. Heck, sometimes a monster might even be too strong for level 1, but too weak for level 2.With that in mind, I really wonder about how many people just aren't interested in playing at those low levels. I mean, the idea of having a mystery about who the werewolf is, for instance, is a cool, traditional sort of adventure. It's really hard to work into 5e. And there are plenty of other monsters that fit best conceptually as loners, but you have an extremely small window (sometimes just a single level) where they can fit that role.So when people say they want to skip levels 1-3, they're essentially saying they aren't going to use those monsters to have those sorts of traditional adventures. A 4th-level party (and definitely a 5th-level party) is going to destroy most classic mid-level monsters, let alone lower level ones. Forget about an ogre being a threat, or even an ogre with a gang of a few orcs. They'll be annihilated.So I'm not really sure what's going on. Are ogres and werewolves the new orcs and goblins? Is this the new normal?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 7934322, member: 6677017"] The 5e Monster Manual makes a lot of classic monsters into pretty low-level threats. There are things that traditionally could make a cool solo or boss monster as part of the classic D&D experiences for low-level characters, that just can't in 5e unless your party is level 1 or 2. Heck, sometimes a monster might even be too strong for level 1, but too weak for level 2. With that in mind, I really wonder about how many people just aren't interested in playing at those low levels. I mean, the idea of having a mystery about who the werewolf is, for instance, is a cool, traditional sort of adventure. It's really hard to work into 5e. And there are plenty of other monsters that fit best conceptually as loners, but you have an extremely small window (sometimes just a single level) where they can fit that role. So when people say they want to skip levels 1-3, they're essentially saying they aren't going to use those monsters to have those sorts of traditional adventures. A 4th-level party (and definitely a 5th-level party) is going to destroy most classic mid-level monsters, let alone lower level ones. Forget about an ogre being a threat, or even an ogre with a gang of a few orcs. They'll be annihilated. So I'm not really sure what's going on. Are ogres and werewolves the new orcs and goblins? Is this the new normal? [/QUOTE]

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