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<blockquote data-quote="Lylandra" data-source="post: 7171162" data-attributes="member: 6816692"><p>1) LotR is not D&D. Especially if you look at everything past 3.0.</p><p>2) There are no lightfoot halflings in LotR. </p><p>3) I mentioned this argument as the pixie fighter etc. started a cycle of "how tiny can it get until my suspension of disbelief has ended". </p><p>4) I get why this is a concern for some people, but I say that it is no issue for me. And I try to provide (even physical) reasons why. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>4) Yep, an ogre in a 2x2 room would be unrealistic. Yet it (and many other scenarios which make no logical sense to us) is a regular part of many "classic" dungeons. Dungeons which are claimed to be loved by many players and GMs (not by me, though. I'm not a fan of such dungeons.)</p><p>5) In 4e you could recover all your HP in 5 minutes. This game world and its metabolisms just worked that way. Is it realistic compared to our RL standards? No. Is it possible in a fictional game world? Yes! Especially when you already have trolls etc. with fast healing in your standard bestiary since 1e</p><p>6) Chain Mail Bikinis were afaik never part of official rules unless you count some artwork meant to titillate young men as canon rules. They are artistical interpretation, nothing more. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't know why you drag 1-3e Drow into all of this. I don't remember mentioning Drow, nor do I take a particular liking of them in "standard" D&D. Instead, I'd prefer my PHB races <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>To me, D&D is all about a group of heroes, mischiefs or villains doing stuff together. And yep, I agree on the part you described which I'd call collaborative Synergizing into something that's bigger than the sum of its parts. But, and maybe that's where our opinions differ, I place class way over race. Race to me is a background, a flavor, a cultural heritage which adds spice to your character. Class is where your "job" stems from, your calling, your place, ypur spot in the group. This is why I'd rather let people play whatever race they like. Because it is fun to see both the oddball and the well-played archetype. </p><p></p><p>And yes, balance is a whole different animal. And yes, I agree that a DEX based fighter is just as viable (if not more) than a STR based one. </p><p></p><p>I also don't get why so many people call freedom of opportunity "PC". To me, this argument almost screams like wanting to shoehorn certain people (races, genders...) into a narrow array of archetypical roles. But isn't it that in fiction, those who rise against all odds or who seem like unlikely to succeed are those characters who are most memorable? Why then would we wanr to deny our PC peers the opportunity to shine as such seeming oddballs?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lylandra, post: 7171162, member: 6816692"] 1) LotR is not D&D. Especially if you look at everything past 3.0. 2) There are no lightfoot halflings in LotR. 3) I mentioned this argument as the pixie fighter etc. started a cycle of "how tiny can it get until my suspension of disbelief has ended". 4) I get why this is a concern for some people, but I say that it is no issue for me. And I try to provide (even physical) reasons why. 4) Yep, an ogre in a 2x2 room would be unrealistic. Yet it (and many other scenarios which make no logical sense to us) is a regular part of many "classic" dungeons. Dungeons which are claimed to be loved by many players and GMs (not by me, though. I'm not a fan of such dungeons.) 5) In 4e you could recover all your HP in 5 minutes. This game world and its metabolisms just worked that way. Is it realistic compared to our RL standards? No. Is it possible in a fictional game world? Yes! Especially when you already have trolls etc. with fast healing in your standard bestiary since 1e 6) Chain Mail Bikinis were afaik never part of official rules unless you count some artwork meant to titillate young men as canon rules. They are artistical interpretation, nothing more. Don't know why you drag 1-3e Drow into all of this. I don't remember mentioning Drow, nor do I take a particular liking of them in "standard" D&D. Instead, I'd prefer my PHB races ;) To me, D&D is all about a group of heroes, mischiefs or villains doing stuff together. And yep, I agree on the part you described which I'd call collaborative Synergizing into something that's bigger than the sum of its parts. But, and maybe that's where our opinions differ, I place class way over race. Race to me is a background, a flavor, a cultural heritage which adds spice to your character. Class is where your "job" stems from, your calling, your place, ypur spot in the group. This is why I'd rather let people play whatever race they like. Because it is fun to see both the oddball and the well-played archetype. And yes, balance is a whole different animal. And yes, I agree that a DEX based fighter is just as viable (if not more) than a STR based one. I also don't get why so many people call freedom of opportunity "PC". To me, this argument almost screams like wanting to shoehorn certain people (races, genders...) into a narrow array of archetypical roles. But isn't it that in fiction, those who rise against all odds or who seem like unlikely to succeed are those characters who are most memorable? Why then would we wanr to deny our PC peers the opportunity to shine as such seeming oddballs? [/QUOTE]
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