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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 7174503" data-attributes="member: 57112">This is completely fair; I agree that I'm not necessarily trying to drag simulationists themselves through the mud, but how I phrased my argument it could certainly be read that way. That's on me, and I apologize for it. On a second read I also think I was being unfair to Libramarian and the points they were arguing, and I apologize for that also.That said, I also believe that it is entirely fair and justifiable to be suspicious of the motivations behind wanting to implement &quot;women are physical weaker than men&quot; rule in an RPG. A lot of times, especially in this day and age, these types of decisions seem hide behind a shield of &quot;simulationism&quot; but also with the implicit (if not outright explicit) goal of riling up female gamers and others who'd like to see the hobby be a little more inclusive and welcoming, a kind of &quot;screw you&quot; to &quot;SJWs&quot; or whatnot. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but it is a reality of our hobby, and one that I think everyone here has been dancing around (I would guess due to forum rules), but I think has been implicit on both sides (e.g; mentions about not caring about catering to the &quot;PC&quot; crowd). I've been trying, with those questions, to give the individuals in this particular discussion the benefit of the doubt (and I thank Igwilly for engaging in them!) but I was also trying to coyly indicate my own suspicions, when it would be have been more fair (and less jerk-ish) to be more direct about it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 7174503, member: 57112"] This is completely fair; I agree that I'm not necessarily trying to drag simulationists themselves through the mud, but how I phrased my argument it could certainly be read that way. That's on me, and I apologize for it. On a second read I also think I was being unfair to Libramarian and the points they were arguing, and I apologize for that also. That said, I also believe that it is entirely fair and justifiable to be suspicious of the motivations behind wanting to implement "women are physical weaker than men" rule in an RPG. A lot of times, especially in this day and age, these types of decisions seem hide behind a shield of "simulationism" but also with the implicit (if not outright explicit) goal of riling up female gamers and others who'd like to see the hobby be a little more inclusive and welcoming, a kind of "screw you" to "SJWs" or whatnot. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but it is a reality of our hobby, and one that I think everyone here has been dancing around (I would guess due to forum rules), but I think has been implicit on both sides (e.g; mentions about not caring about catering to the "PC" crowd). I've been trying, with those questions, to give the individuals in this particular discussion the benefit of the doubt (and I thank Igwilly for engaging in them!) but I was also trying to coyly indicate my own suspicions, when it would be have been more fair (and less jerk-ish) to be more direct about it. [/QUOTE]

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