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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7181744" data-attributes="member: 6855114">Then, for the moment, he's not a GWM, yet...Again a conscious choice, planned in advanced. He's just doing what any min/maxer would do. 4th GWM. 6th ASI in Strength. From then on all bets are on but if he keeps to the fighter class, the logical choice will constitution up to 20 (or maybe the Tough feat at some point). If he intends to switch class for a bit, then it would be nice to see what &quot;he chose&quot; as his stat for the second class.You bring nothing new. It is not by showing an other character concept that my point of view will crumble under the weight of logic. Variant stats will bring variant choices. I was comparing human variant with a human variant. Do the same, please, and you'll see that I am right (or at least not too far off the trail <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). The progression of the goliath character will follow the same line as other characters of the same build/choice. Simply because there is no way to prevent the build to be done.Again I see nothing wrong with with your point of view but the point buy/set stat variant does nothing to encourage new players into RP. What if the Goliath wants to be a warlock too? He'll put a good stat into charisma. With the standard array it is quite easy to do. 13 CN, 14 Cha. And voilà! Ask any players with the default array to reproduce your Goliath charater and he will do the same, even without seeing the original character. With the rolled up array and min/max requirement, one player might not be able to &quot;qualify&quot; for the warlock and would go instead to the ranger? Or the wizard? Or even the cleric? Now this is something you won't see often in 5th edition. With the class/race min/max requirement some doors can be locked, others will be wide open that no one would've chosen otherwise...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 7181744, member: 6855114"] Then, for the moment, he's not a GWM, yet... Again a conscious choice, planned in advanced. He's just doing what any min/maxer would do. 4th GWM. 6th ASI in Strength. From then on all bets are on but if he keeps to the fighter class, the logical choice will constitution up to 20 (or maybe the Tough feat at some point). If he intends to switch class for a bit, then it would be nice to see what "he chose" as his stat for the second class. You bring nothing new. It is not by showing an other character concept that my point of view will crumble under the weight of logic. Variant stats will bring variant choices. I was comparing human variant with a human variant. Do the same, please, and you'll see that I am right (or at least not too far off the trail ;) ). The progression of the goliath character will follow the same line as other characters of the same build/choice. Simply because there is no way to prevent the build to be done. Again I see nothing wrong with with your point of view but the point buy/set stat variant does nothing to encourage new players into RP. What if the Goliath wants to be a warlock too? He'll put a good stat into charisma. With the standard array it is quite easy to do. 13 CN, 14 Cha. And voilà! Ask any players with the default array to reproduce your Goliath charater and he will do the same, even without seeing the original character. With the rolled up array and min/max requirement, one player might not be able to "qualify" for the warlock and would go instead to the ranger? Or the wizard? Or even the cleric? Now this is something you won't see often in 5th edition. With the class/race min/max requirement some doors can be locked, others will be wide open that no one would've chosen otherwise... [/QUOTE]

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