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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7181827" data-attributes="member: 6855114">What??? He didn't take the feat at fourth level? Wait for level 6 or 8. It does not matter when, he will take the feat. IF he is the min/maxer you claim him to be. What you call prognostications, I call experience. As I have said, I introduced over a hundred players into the RPG specificaly D&D. I am still in contact with about 3 dozens DM in D&D and the trend is there. Maybe your personal experience shows you otherwise, but in the long run, it boils down to what I have said.At least you gave me that point. From that point on, going the RP route for a novice is just a small step to make and not the giant leap that the set array involves. Of course you can. I have absolutely no doubts about that. But what of the young inexperienced player? He needs a little nudge in the RP direction. When you have everything you want from the start, there is nothing to strive for. When the odds are not so favourable, you find ways to achieve your goals that are not from the normal receipe. With a bit of enticement, the young player will quickly mature into a well rounded RPGamer. The stats can explain the character's choices when they are different from one character to an other. With all the same stats, and no racial/classes min/max, all you have is the same chocolate cake that the neighbourg has. The decoration might be different, but the essence is the same. Whereas with the random stats, min/max racial/class requirement, you get to see strange choices. A pure 20th level champion with an 18 intelligence? You will not see that with the standard array. Never. But I have seen a 31st level Paladin with a score of 16 in intelligence. I have seen a wizard with 17 in strength that never took a single level in fighter class.My first character ever made was a a lawfull good fighter with a 16 strength (about a 12 with today's way of calculating stats bonuses) and an 18 in intelligence. Arcana rolled at that. I switch to dual class as a wizard around level 7 and the RP involved, with the help of the master and the other players is still remember among us. I was almost 11 years old at the time. My fighter was lame, and yet, I assured a place in the imagination of my team mate as I switch to wizard and became their most powerful ally. I rose up to level 20 in three years. How could it have been done if I had had my way? I would've had the standard 16 in strength, maybe 14 in intelligence (I would've gone eldritch knight with the current rules...).  I have seen this happening in first edition dozens upon dozens of times. Even in the 2e it was possible and to a certain extent in 3e. 4th and 5th edition removed the racial/class min/max requirement altogether and it saddens me a bit. The one thing I am proud to see however is the removal of race ban on certain class. Now we can see dwarven wizards, elven bards and elven cleric going into high levels, gnome paladins (got one in one my groups, he's a blast to see) and many other things that were unimaginable back then.</blockquote>

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