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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neverfate" data-source="post: 5588088" data-attributes="member: 93685">. . . balance? Really? Psionic classes? PHB1 classes? There's just as much bad in 4E as there is in, well, 4E. There are inherent balance problems with PHB1. There will always be.In LFR play, since you can't ignore things you see countless 4E builds of every race and class. A Shade Vampire compared to a Elven Twin-Strike Ranger isn't balanced. A Slayer or Thief out-charging a Barbarian isn't balanced. However, Clerics and Warlords aren't balanced in terms of Leaders and they're from the same book... The list goes on. Some of the worst options in the game come from PHB1 along with some of the best. Strictly sticking with just that book there's no balance. No one screwed with the game balance. It was quite screwy before ANY of us got here. Even Essentials. Regardless of anyone's feelings on Essentials I think anyone claiming it ruined the balance of the game hasn't really looked closely at any of the books released in the last 3 years. I don't mean to slight you, I just chose your post when I notice "balance" come up. Until they come out with a character at first level that has a 68 Armor Class and +76 damage modifier I think we can safely say the game is as "balanced" as it can really get and as "balanced" as it has been if you take the Class Compendium into account (again, Cleric vs Warlord got more one sided).</blockquote>