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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9282058" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I hate the new Monk.  It is WAY OP with multiclassing on a 2-level dip, especially on a caster because the 2nd level ki abilities are OP and you get way too many Ki Points with the recharge on an initiative roll once a day.  (Note: I know they are not called ki any more but it is a lot easer to write)Even on a single class build, where multiclassing is not allowed you can both dodge and attack every single turn starting from 1st level without using any ki at all.  This blows away every other build out there at 1st level and it doesn't get any better.  The only thing that happens is as you level you can work some ki in to work in to disengage too in addition to your attack and dodge, or you can use a ki to make 2 attacks instead of 1 while dodging or at higher levels work in a stunning strike.  All the way to level 20 though you can dodge and attack completely resource free. Pick up 2 levels of Monk on your Wizard or Sorcerer and for about 20% of turns you can both dodge and disengage as a bonus action. and when you are not doing that you can either disengage for free or make a bonus action attack using dexterity after you cast your leveled spell.  Your AC should be a minimum of 13 on point buy without any mage armor and 15 is easily doable and that is before you cast shield.   You might say well that is Wizard and Sorcerer, but a Cleric-Monk can't do that.  On a Cleric or Druid it is worse, go without Armor and max wisdom and dexterity.  Then on top of that all of these things would work while wildshaped RAW.  Right now you can play into this but you are very limited in ki and you can't both disengage and dodge.The old Monk was pretty weak in tier 2, but it was still viable and it made up for that in tier 1 and tier 4+ where it was the best non-caster class. People complained about a 5E Monk being weak compared to other martials .... those people obviously never played a 1E Monk that was atrocious weak.The only change I really wanted to see on the old Monk was to give them Glaive (Naginta), Longsword (Kantana) and Blowgun proficiency.  I think it is kind of wierd that three of the weapons most associated with eastern martial arts are not on their list.</blockquote>

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