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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9320912" data-attributes="member: 6801845">But Rain of Steel didn't give you an attack.&nbsp; It was automatic damage to everyone around you. Didn't matter if their AC was 10 or 30.&nbsp; Or take Come and Get It ... I'm surrounded by wolves and I insult them so they attack me no matter what the situation?&nbsp; How do I do that?&nbsp; You're so lame your chew toy is mashed potatoes so you don't hurt yourself? Your mother was a Chihuahua and your father smelt of elderberries?There were other issues as well with how things worked that were simply illogical.&nbsp; Although I think 6 seconds is too short of a round at high levels, I can simply state that a round averages to 6 seconds over the course of your entire career as a PC.&nbsp; It's an oversimplification but it doesn't scream &quot;It's just a game&quot; every time I take an action.In any case, I simply burned out on 4E.&nbsp; But it's water under the bridge. If you enjoyed it, great.&nbsp; I'm just trying to explain one aspect of why I don't care for the edition and it was not because of presentation or lack of imagination.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9320912, member: 6801845"] But Rain of Steel didn't give you an attack. It was automatic damage to everyone around you. Didn't matter if their AC was 10 or 30. Or take Come and Get It ... I'm surrounded by wolves and I insult them so they attack me no matter what the situation? How do I do that? You're so lame your chew toy is mashed potatoes so you don't hurt yourself? Your mother was a Chihuahua and your father smelt of elderberries? There were other issues as well with how things worked that were simply illogical. Although I think 6 seconds is too short of a round at high levels, I can simply state that a round averages to 6 seconds over the course of your entire career as a PC. It's an oversimplification but it doesn't scream "It's just a game" every time I take an action. In any case, I simply burned out on 4E. But it's water under the bridge. If you enjoyed it, great. I'm just trying to explain one aspect of why I don't care for the edition and it was not because of presentation or lack of imagination. [/QUOTE]

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