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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9321376" data-attributes="member: 22779">4e tanked is fine.  Every edition of D&D tanked eventually.  Fair enough.  But, the fact that you cannot even have a conversation about any of the ideas of 4e without the edition warring knives coming out is why WotC won't ever stray from the mainstream.  You're saying that it's all about "selling the product".  Okay as far as it goes.  But, the reason they chose this path is because the fandom has been absolutely crystal clear that this is the ONLY path they can take.  Complaining about it, or painting it as a cash grab or corporate greed ignores the fact that WotC has no choice here.  You want WotC to be creative?  You want WotC to take risks or maybe publish books that don't get that magic number approval?  Then shut down the edition warring rhetoric.  Make it clear that just because someone doesn't like something that WotC published over a decade ago, it's not cool to KEEP BANGING THE DRUM.  That just because something might have 4e cooties, doesn't make it a bad thing.Until that happens.  Until the fandom rolls back the edition war rhetoric and let's it go, WotC will obey the loudest voices of the fandom.Fandom won.  Congratulations.  This is your prize for winning the edition wars.</blockquote>