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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9324008" data-attributes="member: 6801845">As [USER=59057]@UngeheuerLich[/USER] stated, it was not just "four of several 100" powers that were the problems.  You could, in theory, ignore them especially by the end of 4E's run in part because they released a book that gave you options to play more mundane martial characters.  But it was too little too late, coming at the very end of 4E's lifetime.  Even then, the powers that I didn't care for were just a small part of the problem.There are many approaches to how rules are built and even though I played a ton of 4E and fully supported it, by the end of it's life I was going to stop playing D&D.  If 5E hadn't come along, I would have either switched to PF or gone back to 3.5 (even though that game started falling apart for me at around level 15 for different reasons). It's not like I only played martial characters either.  People like what they like and I'm happy for people that liked 4E.  I'm not pushing back against people's preferences when I attempt to explain issues, I'm not someone who never played the game and rejected it because of bad "presentation" or online comments. D&D 4E just wasn't my cup of tea and it never had the same feel and rewards as every other version.  Trying to tell me that I and the vast majority of people I played with were wrong about our impressions, that we were somehow mistaken, lacked imagination, or had an overblown reaction to a tiny percentage of the game just rubs me the wrong way.  I'll never tell anyone they were having bad-wrong-fun for liking a game I burned out on, all I ask is that they tell me I would have liked it if I had just done it right.</blockquote>

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