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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9324131" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Hey, I'm a 4e fan, and I'm perfectly happy to discuss it's failings- it certainly had them!  I take umbrage with how it's often misrepresented.  A lot of people just parrot the "4e is bad memes" without demonstrating that they truly comprehend what, exactly, the real merits and flaws of the game were.You want to say you hate 4e because mechanics were far more important than flavor text, that you don't like turn-based battles on a grid, that you don't feel like you can run the game your way without the system slapping you in the face, or the fact that "thing X that I like in D&D" doesn't exist or isn't supported?  Not a problem!Or simply, like Oofta says, "it wasn't a game for me".  Great!D&D is for everyone, but a given version (or the game in it's totality) might not be the best fit for a person.  Which is great!  We have lots of other games you can play too!But the "4e sucks because of some thing that isn't actually true" sticks in my craw, because it's a thing that has been perpetuated to the point that there are people in the hobby who never even looked at a 4e book, who have this viewpoint!  Often on Youtube, I'll watch a video made by some younger player that I'm perfectly enjoying, and they'll make some comment like "except 4e, 4e was universally bad.  I never played it though." It grinds my gears.  Because I hated the game too!  But once I started really playing it, and examining the game in more detail, I saw a lot of good packed in with the not-so-good, to the point that I truly enjoyed it.  That isn't to say that there can't be people who also engaged with the game who still didn't like it.But the flippant and dismissive comments some people make about it make it hard to believe that everyone has an informed opinion.</blockquote>

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