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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9324419" data-attributes="member: 22779">Sorry. Didn’t mean to be patronizing. Wasn’t my intention. But as someone who played both with and without the CB, I find declarations that it was “impossible “ to play 4e without the CB to be very overblown. And to add to the list of things that I have no problem with people not liking 4e for:1. Presentation. Yup that’s a biggie. That includes the stuff mentioned before like terminology but also stuff like the adventure delve format. As well as loads of other elements.2. Publication pace. Yikes. 3. Marketing. Yeah this was just bad. 4. Proliferation of interrupt effects which ground the game to a halt in play. 5. Proliferation of damage types which makes the game overly complicated. 6. Spectacular levels of bloat. We probably didn’t need something like forty distinct classes in what, three years?7. Shockingly poorly written adventures. Goes back to presentation. That would be most of my list. What’s generally just edition warring?1. Meme style glib comments. Anything ending in “y” generally. Samey, video gamey, etc. 2. Anything to do with sense of wonder.3. Anything to do with “my verisimilitude “4. Anything to do with cognitive dissonance.</blockquote>