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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9336486" data-attributes="member: 93670">While I agree with everything else, but that bolded but isn;t quite so accurate.&nbsp; 5e has done a lot that encourages players to take that antagonist mindset from video games &amp; apply it to the meat computer across the GM screen.&nbsp; First you have a lot of stuff designed to give players a &quot;no it doesn't&quot;&nbsp; veto if the GM points out a problem (ie see the hundreds of pages filled with discussion over background features)&nbsp; Then there is the way they spent so much effort binding the GM's hands with AL &amp; shifting things* that are traditionally a&nbsp; GM's discretion to players themselves.&nbsp; Players who come in from video games through AL who once might have rules lawyered a bit before backing off so the game could continue wind up&nbsp; maintaining that adversarial antagonist mindset in order avoid rules lawyering &amp; force the GM on the defense trying to justify their GM calls instead.&nbsp; Players who might not have cared enough to get involved get roped in by the plain reading &amp; maintain a wary shield ready to support any player being wronged by an unfavorable GM call or houserul not covered in sessionzero* IE download the AL plyers guide &amp; the DM equivalent sometime &amp; check out what they have to say about choosing magic items&amp; treasure.&nbsp; TL;DR version of it is the ALPG pretty much grants players the ability to choose them &amp; likewise can level their PC (or not) whenever they want while the DM equivalent is explicit about how the game needs to take RAW to a whole new level for the rules themselves &amp; for a long time the adventures too but any gold &amp; treasure in the adventure is not awarded to players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9336486, member: 93670"] While I agree with everything else, but that bolded but isn;t quite so accurate. 5e has done a lot that encourages players to take that antagonist mindset from video games & apply it to the meat computer across the GM screen. First you have a lot of stuff designed to give players a "no it doesn't" veto if the GM points out a problem[I] (ie see the hundreds of pages filled with discussion over background features) [/I]Then there is the way they spent so much effort binding the GM's hands with AL & shifting things* that are traditionally a GM's discretion to players themselves. Players who come in from video games through AL who once might have rules lawyered a bit before backing off so the game could continue wind up maintaining that adversarial antagonist mindset in order avoid rules lawyering & force the GM on the defense trying to justify their GM calls instead. Players who might not have cared enough to get involved get roped in by the plain reading & maintain a wary shield ready to support any player being wronged by an unfavorable GM call or houserul not covered in sessionzero * IE download the AL plyers guide & the DM equivalent sometime & check out what they have to say about choosing magic items& treasure. TL;DR version of it is the ALPG pretty much grants players the ability to choose them & likewise can level their PC (or not) whenever they want while the DM equivalent is explicit about how the game needs to take RAW to a whole new level for the rules themselves & for a long time the adventures too but any gold & treasure in the adventure is not awarded to players. [/QUOTE]

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