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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 393208" data-attributes="member: 1194">I've just been shown that every game I've played in 3E, both sit-down games and online games, haven't been using a rule.PHB, page 120Apparently, even when there is no surprise round, a character is considered flatfooted until it reaches their initiative order in combat.Main impact to game: No DEX boni, suffer sneak attacks, and no AoO.Example: 4 1st level combatants, 2 on a side. NO SURPRISE.1st side has Rogue Archer and Spiked Chain Ftr, 2nd side has Bbn and Mage.Initiative: Bbn (20), then Rogue (18), then Chain Ftr (17), then Mage (16).Bbn WAY in the back rank goes. Rages, pulls out greatsword, runs 80' right past the mage, past the Chain Ftr's entire threatened quadrant (incurring NO AoO's) and charges into Rogue, almost killing him cause no DEX bonus.All because he started his Charge a couple blinks of an eye faster than the Rogue & Ftr started?Then, the Rogue goes. He steps 5' back, ignores the Bbn that almost killed him, and fires at the Mage who he easily hits cause no DEX bonus and kills him with sneak attack damage.Does this make sense to you?Who plays this way?I'm guessing that since I've never heard this rule discussed, and it's in the books, that MOST people would play this way, and I've just had uncommon groups.But I think I'd remember if any group had done special AC calculations that only applied in the first round, and only until their PC moved, and used different tactics in the first round to take advantage of the PC or NPC that looked like they hadn't reacted yet.How would that go, anyway?Player1 to DM: I want to BullRush someone off the cliff. Which Kobold looks like they haven't moved yet?That just sounds so awkward.And more: Wouldn't this rule change the entire weight of initiative being rolled in the open?There are so many reasons to now roll initiative secretly, so as not to unduly influence the strategies used in combat.But I've never heard of any group rolling initiative in secret.So what is your opinion?</blockquote>

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