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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dark Eternal" data-source="post: 394875" data-attributes="member: 7932">My game, as well as the two or so that I'm playing in at any given time, has always used the flat-footed rules.   I'd imagine (as someone above stated) that that's the reason that most of my fellow players always load Improved Initiative onto their characters at first level, no matter how little sense it makes, and that it's also the reason that I hate NPC rogues, seeing as I despise wasting one of my precious feats on Imp. Init...  Seriously, neither I nor any of my fellows have ever had reason to question or debate the flat footed rule.  In an initiative system that got quite a few nasty comments when we first switched over, it was one of the least often argued against aspects.  I will, in good honor, admit that we have a single player who still complains about the flat footed rule every time he gets struck by it.  But then, the poor bastard in question has the worst die rolls I have EVER seen, as a consistant rule.  I don't even know why he plays the game; if there's a check or a save to roll, he'll miss it.  So he always goes last, and the NPC's always love to pick on his poor flat footed AC.  Anyways, just my ha'penny's worth.</blockquote>