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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 395184" data-attributes="member: 2525">Honestly, I agree with Thanee that you probably have simply not noticed the rule, but that it was there in many of your games.  I mean, most of the time the PC's are going to go first.  And most DMs are not going to announce the AC of the creature you are attacking, so you simply don't know it has been a bit easier to hit those creatures on the first round.  In addition, even if the creature is going before you are, you still might not know the DM is taking into account the fact that your Dex is not applying to your AC that first round.  You just happen to get hit more often in the first round.  It's not one of those rules you would announce all the time, despite it being in use.This is not a controversial rule.  In all the years of being on EnWorld, I cannot recall anyone every complaining about it (and we complain about EVERYTHING here).  I've never seen a house rule about it in the house rules.  I've never heard mention of it over on the WOTC boards or Monte Cook boards either.  And, with 125 votes from people who use it all the time (94.70%), and another 5 votes from people who use it most of the time (3.79%), and only 2 votes from people who do not use it (1.52%), one of which is proabably you, and perhaps the other vote from another player in your game, you are looking at one of the most nearly unanimous votes I have ever seen in a poll here on EnWorld.Face it, it's not us, it's you.  If you want to house-rule it, more power to you.  But don't try to claim it's some obscure, uncommonly used rule that most people house-rule.  It isn't.  It's one of your basic, run of the mill, almost universally used rules.</blockquote>

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