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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8219520" data-attributes="member: 16814">And this is the key point.  If you're playing to find out what happens, to borrow the phrase, the player has to lift more weight in the game to make this happen.  Preferring to not have that responsibility during your hobby time is perfectly fine, but it's upstream of when the GM authors fiction.I think it's less this, and more that I, as recently as five years ago, was making your arguments and felt as you do.  I think that my change of opinion has made it more challenging for me to let the realizations go, even as I'm perfectly fine with someone coming to a different conclusion.  Or, in other words, my understanding has changed, and I look at these things in a different way, and it's hard to remember not everyone's made that change (or even should).  And this aligns with skilled play.  Skilled play, however, is not altogether hampered by ad-libbed material.  That's a hard thing to grasp, but it's true.  Still, it's an understandable preference, you want the challenge of going against the GM's planning, and if they screw up, them's the breaks.  Or vice versa, if you're the GM.  I don't really find that terribly appealing in my RPGs.  My wargaming, absolutely, but the variable space is usually more confined there.Thumbs up.I don't think it's at all inevitable they'd chose either style.  I do, however, think that first experiences, especially if it's prolonged exposure, tend to set people in certain thought patterns as to how RPGs work and make it more difficult to move to a different system.Not quite -- based on motives doesn't mean that other things are excluded.  But it's close, and that was the point I was making.  I don't even think about what a monster should or should not know -- it's not in my checks.  I advocate for them, and follow the established fiction, and that's about it.  Concern about "metagaming" is something I've left behind.</blockquote>

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