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<blockquote data-quote="happyhermit" data-source="post: 8220039" data-attributes="member: 6834463">What assumption of mine is wrong exactly? I think I understand what that sentence is supposed to mean, but I am not sure in the context.This sort of attitude (most people just haven't been enlightened, and that's ok, I guess) is almost required for those advocating the views you are it seems. I held my nose when I bought Burning Wheel in particular because despite the attitudes of the community and designer I thought they were really onto something. Though, it just recently became impossible to deny just how much of an ass-hat the designer is and I might finally chuck my copy.&quot;Most people&quot; have enough experience to analyze play, though they certainly won't all analyze it in the way you would. Analysis is always through a particular lens, including your own, not to mention people who ascribe to particular schools of game design. I have been involved in the hobby for decades, spent way too much time reading and listening to ttrpgs and design theory, I have experience with more games than I would want to list but germane to your points would be the aforementioned Burning Wheel, various PbtA, Fate, 4e D&amp;D. I have more than enough experience to &quot;really analyze play&quot; and the motivation came from my inherent desire to understand myself and others but also seeing these games over and over not providing the results they aspired to. After following countless rabbit holes of &quot;you're playing it wrong&quot; that I and others pursued and were sent down by true believers, I have no doubt that I &quot;get it&quot;. I just don't think &quot;it&quot; is all that great. Others enjoy it, which is wonderful but unfortunately it's really common amongst those that do to look down on those that don't, either seeing them as uninformed or sometimes even doing something morally questionable or dishonest.I still can enjoy Fate, it's just a very particular experience and doesn't satisfy some of the core reasons I play ttrpgs. I am still somewhat open to PbtA, it's just that I've been let down by each iteration I got into and fundamentally the system doesn't have much to offer me other than a bit of rules asymmetry. Burning Wheel on the other hand I am done with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="happyhermit, post: 8220039, member: 6834463"] What assumption of mine is wrong exactly? I think I understand what that sentence is supposed to mean, but I am not sure in the context. This sort of attitude (most people just haven't been enlightened, and that's ok, I guess) is almost required for those advocating the views you are it seems. I held my nose when I bought Burning Wheel in particular because despite the attitudes of the community and designer I thought they were really onto something. Though, it just recently became impossible to deny just how much of an ass-hat the designer is and I might finally chuck my copy. "Most people" have enough experience to analyze play, though they certainly won't all analyze it in the way you would. Analysis is always through a particular lens, including your own, not to mention people who ascribe to particular schools of game design. I have been involved in the hobby for decades, spent way too much time reading and listening to ttrpgs and design theory, I have experience with more games than I would want to list but germane to your points would be the aforementioned Burning Wheel, various PbtA, Fate, 4e D&D. I have more than enough experience to "really analyze play" and the motivation came from my inherent desire to understand myself and others but also seeing these games over and over not providing the results they aspired to. After following countless rabbit holes of "you're playing it wrong" that I and others pursued and were sent down by true believers, I have no doubt that I "get it". I just don't think "it" is all that great. Others enjoy it, which is wonderful but unfortunately it's really common amongst those that do to look down on those that don't, either seeing them as uninformed or sometimes even doing something morally questionable or dishonest. I still can enjoy Fate, it's just a very particular experience and doesn't satisfy some of the core reasons I play ttrpgs. I am still somewhat open to PbtA, it's just that I've been let down by each iteration I got into and fundamentally the system doesn't have much to offer me other than a bit of rules asymmetry. Burning Wheel on the other hand I am done with. [/QUOTE]

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