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<blockquote data-quote="happyhermit" data-source="post: 8220561" data-attributes="member: 6834463">Yeah, I didn't mean to skip over that, it's just that in the fallout there are certainly some questions about how he used his position at Kickstarter.There are still areas of the world that largely are only familiar with their &quot;traditional&quot; cuisine, which is what I was referring to. Their frame of reference largely consists of that.Depending on the context, since you asked, I would probably rather say something like &quot;I don't know if you have experience with other systems, but I find ...&quot; and just get to the point of what I am saying.Yes, it often is used as a trap, to discount people's opinions.Err, ok. You are saying I am using my experience with the systems to level accusations of elitism?You asked, and I said I don't see the point in listing my issues about the systems. I have done it many times before and they are some of the least productive conversations I have had on the internet, and damn that's saying a lot. I largely avoid talking about those systems because of how unproductive and acrimonious it usually is. The reason I spend more time in the D&amp;D forum is in part to avoid being sucked into those types of discussions with zealous proponents of certain types of play.I never insisted I have the high ground, I pointed out what sounded &quot;elitist&quot; (those statements still do to me) and that the group advocating this view has a history of &quot;elitist&quot; statements (which you more or less agreed to AFAICT).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="happyhermit, post: 8220561, member: 6834463"] Yeah, I didn't mean to skip over that, it's just that in the fallout there are certainly some questions about how he used his position at Kickstarter. There are still areas of the world that largely are only familiar with their "traditional" cuisine, which is what I was referring to. Their frame of reference largely consists of that. Depending on the context, since you asked, I would probably rather say something like "I don't know if you have experience with other systems, but I find ..." and just get to the point of what I am saying. Yes, it often is used as a trap, to discount people's opinions. Err, ok. You are saying I am using my experience with the systems to level accusations of elitism? You asked, and I said I don't see the point in listing my issues about the systems. I have done it many times before and they are some of the least productive conversations I have had on the internet, and damn that's saying a lot. I largely avoid talking about those systems because of how unproductive and acrimonious it usually is. The reason I spend more time in the D&D forum is in part to avoid being sucked into those types of discussions with zealous proponents of certain types of play. I never insisted I have the high ground, I pointed out what sounded "elitist" (those statements still do to me) and that the group advocating this view has a history of "elitist" statements (which you more or less agreed to AFAICT). [/QUOTE]

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