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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 8221522" data-attributes="member: 6698278">This is the issue.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; I do not think that an improv DM can produce the deep and immersive world that I do.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't believe it for a second.&nbsp; That is the issue here.&nbsp; I'm not conceding this point and we will just have to agree to disagree.&nbsp; You speak in theoreticals but you have admitted that I should be aware it's improv and run with it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Being aware it's improve prima facie will reduce the immersion.&nbsp; There is nothing over the hill.&nbsp; Nothing.&nbsp; I have to run over the hill to make it come into existence.&nbsp; That violated immersion right there.&nbsp; Full stop.&nbsp;&nbsp; So you are not the arbiter of what is immersive or not.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am not immersed by improv.&nbsp; Let's just agree instead that for some people they can become immersed with different stimuli.&nbsp; If I know certain that the DM is making it up as we go, I will not care a whit about the world.&nbsp; My investment will be nil.&nbsp; In fact, once I figure out what is going on, I will politely bow out of that campaign.&nbsp; So it is the CERTAINTY you exhibit about these matters that is triggering.&nbsp; You turn an opinion into a scientific fact.&nbsp; Your opinion is yours.&nbsp; It's not a scientific fact.&nbsp; I'm not unique in finding your improv anti-immersive.&nbsp; I'm not claiming my way is the exclusive way but I am say for a lot of people, things like immersion matter in the way they matter to me.&nbsp; It's why they keep using the term.&nbsp; Immersion is a pretty subjective concept.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 8221522, member: 6698278"] This is the issue. No. I do not think that an improv DM can produce the deep and immersive world that I do. I don't believe it for a second. That is the issue here. I'm not conceding this point and we will just have to agree to disagree. You speak in theoreticals but you have admitted that I should be aware it's improv and run with it. Being aware it's improve prima facie will reduce the immersion. There is nothing over the hill. Nothing. I have to run over the hill to make it come into existence. That violated immersion right there. Full stop. So you are not the arbiter of what is immersive or not. I am not immersed by improv. Let's just agree instead that for some people they can become immersed with different stimuli. If I know certain that the DM is making it up as we go, I will not care a whit about the world. My investment will be nil. In fact, once I figure out what is going on, I will politely bow out of that campaign. So it is the CERTAINTY you exhibit about these matters that is triggering. You turn an opinion into a scientific fact. Your opinion is yours. It's not a scientific fact. I'm not unique in finding your improv anti-immersive. I'm not claiming my way is the exclusive way but I am say for a lot of people, things like immersion matter in the way they matter to me. It's why they keep using the term. Immersion is a pretty subjective concept. [/QUOTE]

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