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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 8221544" data-attributes="member: 6698278">Look we are constrained by the written word here so perhaps if I was at the coffee shop talking about this subject everything would be taken differently.&nbsp; You just seem certain about somethings that I think are subjective.This is one of those practically vs theoretically.&nbsp; I have said on numerous occasions that if God is running the campaign he can improv all he wants and I absolutely won't be able to tell the difference.&nbsp; I find improvers though are not God and are unable to maintain the consistency and depth that a good prepper can maintain.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now admittedly I've not met a great improver so maybe they exist.&nbsp; I haven't met a ton of great preppers lol.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's why I DM a lot.&nbsp; So theoretically there could be no difference but practically I see a big difference.If not you and I, then at least others and I have debated player agency a lot.&nbsp; Again I think it's a misuse of the term to just say player agency.&nbsp;&nbsp; If I build a sandbox world that is fully prepped.&nbsp;&nbsp; That takes no agency from the players in terms of what they can have their characters do.&nbsp; They can in theory do anything their characters could do just like I can do anything I can do in the real world.&nbsp; We are both limited by the facts of the world.&nbsp; I can't fly by jumping out my window.&nbsp; I can't go to get my haircut at the grocery store because the grocery store is in that spot in reality.&nbsp;&nbsp; I can choose to go where I want in this world though.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now I know you mean something different by player agency.&nbsp; I just think the very broad term is misused for what you are talking about.&nbsp; It will lead to arguments where people are talking past each other.&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe add the caveat, player agency outside of their character.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or maybe player authoring agency.&nbsp; Not sure the right term but player agency is not clear as it could just mean acting as you would as your character.&nbsp; I'm actually kind of anti-railroad though I've been a railroader in my younger days.&nbsp; Of course my players didn't care they were happy to jump on the train.&nbsp; lol.&nbsp;&nbsp; I've been more concerned in my later years with what I call player agency.&nbsp; I want the PCs to be able to operate inside the sandbox and choose the paths they take.&nbsp; I want to have a lot of &quot;plot&quot; threads going with multiple villains and numerous things to be discovered.&nbsp; It's almost like what you throw away is essential to ensuring what you keep is of value.&nbsp;&nbsp; Also realize though that anything not used just gets rolled over to the next campaign so over time you waste very little.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 8221544, member: 6698278"] Look we are constrained by the written word here so perhaps if I was at the coffee shop talking about this subject everything would be taken differently. You just seem certain about somethings that I think are subjective. This is one of those practically vs theoretically. I have said on numerous occasions that if God is running the campaign he can improv all he wants and I absolutely won't be able to tell the difference. I find improvers though are not God and are unable to maintain the consistency and depth that a good prepper can maintain. Now admittedly I've not met a great improver so maybe they exist. I haven't met a ton of great preppers lol. It's why I DM a lot. So theoretically there could be no difference but practically I see a big difference. If not you and I, then at least others and I have debated player agency a lot. Again I think it's a misuse of the term to just say player agency. If I build a sandbox world that is fully prepped. That takes no agency from the players in terms of what they can have their characters do. They can in theory do anything their characters could do just like I can do anything I can do in the real world. We are both limited by the facts of the world. I can't fly by jumping out my window. I can't go to get my haircut at the grocery store because the grocery store is in that spot in reality. I can choose to go where I want in this world though. Now I know you mean something different by player agency. I just think the very broad term is misused for what you are talking about. It will lead to arguments where people are talking past each other. Maybe add the caveat, player agency outside of their character. Or maybe player authoring agency. Not sure the right term but player agency is not clear as it could just mean acting as you would as your character. I'm actually kind of anti-railroad though I've been a railroader in my younger days. Of course my players didn't care they were happy to jump on the train. lol. I've been more concerned in my later years with what I call player agency. I want the PCs to be able to operate inside the sandbox and choose the paths they take. I want to have a lot of "plot" threads going with multiple villains and numerous things to be discovered. It's almost like what you throw away is essential to ensuring what you keep is of value. Also realize though that anything not used just gets rolled over to the next campaign so over time you waste very little. [/QUOTE]

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