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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8221873" data-attributes="member: 16814">Can it be changed between when the GM first writes the notes and when it's introduced in play?&nbsp; How extensively can it be changed?Things are only part of the game's fiction when they're introduced to the players as part of that fiction.&nbsp; Prior to that, it's just some notes.&nbsp; And, as far as the players go, there's no real difference between made up a year ago and made up 10 minutes ago, and there shouldn't be for made up right now.&nbsp; Except, I'm being told there's some real difference in the fiction existing between all of these.I haven't, I've said that the reason for it mattering is not what's being argued.&nbsp; I say this because the GM's notes have no impact on the game until they're introduced in play, so caring that things were thought about before isn't really because of what happens in the fiction, but rather what other things that entails.&nbsp; I think there's a very real difference between improv and prep, and have been saying this all along.Yup, it matter to me, for sure, but not because of any idea that it's more real if the GM wrote it down before telling it to me.The lack in this argument is how trust is established.&nbsp; This isn't blind, but instead established through either long play that shows a GM can be trusted, or through known constraints applied that let's you begin to trust the GM.&nbsp; You can't just say &quot;trust the GM&quot; and have that happen, and you really shouldn't.&nbsp; There's lots of bad GMs out there.It's a strawman to say that the argument that lack of trust in the GM is why people don't like improv is a bad argument that shouldn't be made?&nbsp; Weird.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8221873, member: 16814"] Can it be changed between when the GM first writes the notes and when it's introduced in play? How extensively can it be changed? Things are only part of the game's fiction when they're introduced to the players as part of that fiction. Prior to that, it's just some notes. And, as far as the players go, there's no real difference between made up a year ago and made up 10 minutes ago, and there shouldn't be for made up right now. Except, I'm being told there's some real difference in the fiction existing between all of these. I haven't, I've said that the reason for it mattering is not what's being argued. I say this because the GM's notes have no impact on the game until they're introduced in play, so caring that things were thought about before isn't really because of what happens in the fiction, but rather what other things that entails. I think there's a very real difference between improv and prep, and have been saying this all along. Yup, it matter to me, for sure, but not because of any idea that it's more real if the GM wrote it down before telling it to me. The lack in this argument is how trust is established. This isn't blind, but instead established through either long play that shows a GM can be trusted, or through known constraints applied that let's you begin to trust the GM. You can't just say "trust the GM" and have that happen, and you really shouldn't. There's lots of bad GMs out there. It's a strawman to say that the argument that lack of trust in the GM is why people don't like improv is a bad argument that shouldn't be made? Weird. [/QUOTE]

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