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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 8223664" data-attributes="member: 463">IME, it's either:1. They are low level PCs confronted by some massive monster/overwhelming threat, eg 2nd level PCs spot a dragon. The PCs try to avoid combat. If it should be obvious* to the PCs in-setting I'll tell them &quot;This red dragon is probably out of your league&quot; or words to that effect.2. The PCs start combat confident, but the enemy display overwhelming firepower. The PCs still standing try to recover their fallen &amp; flee. Happened recently running a Kobold Press adventure where the 'CR 3' BBEG opened the fight with Insect Plague on the 8 level 1-2 PCs (ouch). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />*IME the most dangerous level is 4th level. The players may be feeling quite cocky &amp; powerful by now, but they haven't reached the Tier 2 break point yet and CR 5+ stuff or large numbers of weak foes can still easily be overwhelming. Often it's not clear the PCs will lose until too late.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 8223664, member: 463"] IME, it's either: 1. They are low level PCs confronted by some massive monster/overwhelming threat, eg 2nd level PCs spot a dragon. The PCs try to avoid combat. If it should be obvious* to the PCs in-setting I'll tell them "This red dragon is probably out of your league" or words to that effect. 2. The PCs start combat confident, but the enemy display overwhelming firepower. The PCs still standing try to recover their fallen & flee. Happened recently running a Kobold Press adventure where the 'CR 3' BBEG opened the fight with [I]Insect Plague [/I]on the 8 level 1-2 PCs ([I]ouch[/I]). :D *IME the most dangerous level is 4th level. The players may be feeling quite cocky & powerful by now, but they haven't reached the Tier 2 break point yet and CR 5+ stuff or large numbers of weak foes can still easily be overwhelming. Often it's not clear the PCs will lose until too late. [/QUOTE]

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