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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8223718" data-attributes="member: 6790260">sighAnd this is exactly why I took umbrage with Morrus' phrasing here. Skyrim is not best practices for this style of play, it is merely the most dramatically obvious "this is not real, this is a fiction" way of doing things. It's great for showing how a purely mechanic-driven structure is lacking in non-mechanical consistency, but that's both not very informative (you already knew it was purely mechanic-driven, it shouldn't surprise you that something which ONLY cares about mechanics ends up not addressing non-mechanic things!) AND attacking a strawman rather than an actual discussion.I mean, for goodness' sake, this is equivalent to having a poll where people are asked what their preferred kind of ice cream is, and the choices are "chocolate, however you like it" and "nonfat nondairy artifically-flavored vanilla frozen dessert." Of course most people are going to say "chocolate, however you like it" and not the other one, you've gone out of your way to present the second in terms that will turn off plenty of people who actually like vanilla ice cream.Like, I want to circle back to Tetrasodium's cited example of Torg's quantum merchant company, which doesn't exist anywhere until the DM happens to roll that it does exist where the players are right now. It's emphatically not the style you call "are we playing Skyrim," in that the company's location is completely unrelated to player choices, character level, or narrative impact: it's purely down to the roll of the dice. And yet it is just as much ungrounded  (it is "so unrealistic" as you put it--I don't like that term myself), as this entity--which implicitly exists in the world, and must physically travel from place to place--exists 10% in any given town and 90% elsewhere (or whatever), and you only find out which one by opening the box.Imagine if the choice given were between "narrative games, where encounters happen for logical reasons and get nudged forward by what will make the most satisfying experience" and "random play, where you never know what you'll fight until it happens." (Even that isn't a great comparison, because the latter at least has actual fans in D&D--the so-called "Skyrim" experience does not, and that's the whole reason I'm annoyed here.)</blockquote>

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