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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 8224176" data-attributes="member: 6698278">There is no fiction in the game that is unchangeable by the DM.&nbsp; I'm the absolute arbiter of the game.&nbsp; I can rewind time, I can undo anything, I and cause anything else to happen.&nbsp; Rule 0.&nbsp;&nbsp; So by your &quot;strict&quot; interpretation of &quot;the fiction&quot; then in my games nothing is the fiction.&nbsp; It's all changeable.&nbsp;&nbsp; And my unwillingness to do such things does not negate the fact they are possible.&nbsp;&nbsp; So being possible, then nothing is fiction by your definition.Vibrant, consistent, and believable are all subjective.&nbsp;&nbsp; I absolutely agree that some people can feel that something is all those things when I would absolutely not think they are.&nbsp;&nbsp; I suspect in these games you mention that dissociative mechanics are rampant and that alone would make me not feel the world is vibrant, consistent or believable.&nbsp; It's why I don't play 5e to begin with.&nbsp; I can't stomach the HD and the second wind, etc...&nbsp; For me though, my long experience of gaming is that DMs who do no prep provide very little in the way of immersion.&nbsp; Now I totally agree that is my anecdotal and subjective experience.&nbsp;&nbsp; Meaning some might find such games immersive and others might agree they are not but can be immersed with a better version of that style.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now, we can argue fun vs immersion.&nbsp; I might have some fun playing a game that is not immersive.&nbsp; But with my limited gaming time, I prefer immersive games.&nbsp; I don't think most board games are immersive and yet I could play them.&nbsp; Typically in such situations though it's a two or three hour one time experience and not a years long commitment.So you can't really say that any game is guaranteed immersive.&nbsp; You can say it is immersive for you.&nbsp; You can also not say that any style of gaming is immersive.&nbsp; You can say it is for you.&nbsp; And the same holds true for me.&nbsp; I can't say any game or style is not immersive.&nbsp; I can say it is not immersive for me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 8224176, member: 6698278"] There is no fiction in the game that is unchangeable by the DM. I'm the absolute arbiter of the game. I can rewind time, I can undo anything, I and cause anything else to happen. Rule 0. So by your "strict" interpretation of "the fiction" then in my games nothing is the fiction. It's all changeable. And my unwillingness to do such things does not negate the fact they are possible. So being possible, then nothing is fiction by your definition. Vibrant, consistent, and believable are all subjective. I absolutely agree that some people can feel that something is all those things when I would absolutely not think they are. I suspect in these games you mention that dissociative mechanics are rampant and that alone would make me not feel the world is vibrant, consistent or believable. It's why I don't play 5e to begin with. I can't stomach the HD and the second wind, etc... For me though, my long experience of gaming is that DMs who do no prep provide very little in the way of immersion. Now I totally agree that is my anecdotal and subjective experience. Meaning some might find such games immersive and others might agree they are not but can be immersed with a better version of that style. Now, we can argue fun vs immersion. I might have some fun playing a game that is not immersive. But with my limited gaming time, I prefer immersive games. I don't think most board games are immersive and yet I could play them. Typically in such situations though it's a two or three hour one time experience and not a years long commitment. So you can't really say that any game is guaranteed immersive. You can say it is immersive for you. You can also not say that any style of gaming is immersive. You can say it is for you. And the same holds true for me. I can't say any game or style is not immersive. I can say it is not immersive for me. [/QUOTE]

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