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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8224739" data-attributes="member: 16814">It's not theoretical at all.&nbsp; I can absolutely tell you what it is in any given game.&nbsp; It is the fiction at the table, known to the GM and the players.&nbsp; Maybe one player, but still, it's what's shared.&nbsp; If it isn't shared, it's not shared fiction.&nbsp; There's nothing theoretical about this -- it's concrete and defined and exists in any RPG I'm aware of.&nbsp; Sure, a lot of the games I run don't either.&nbsp; My points about the difference between prep and shared fiction don't rely on any argument involving quantum wave functions.&nbsp; They hold valid if I'm talking about a 100% prep game (which is cool!) or an improv game.&nbsp; It's an argument based on the difference in how and when things can be changed, and this is never a function of GM choices to not change things.I... okay.&nbsp; Look, you may not have meant it this way, but this really reads terribly.&nbsp; It looks like you're saying that only the GM matters, that there's this massive fiction that the players are only graced with fractions that the GM wishes them to appreciate.&nbsp; It's... not a good look, and certainly suggests that the players are very unimportant to the game. If that's your intent, okay, but I think any useful discussion would be at an end.As for persistent, if the persistence is up to the GM's whim, it's not actually persistent. There's no reality of that game world, only the reality established in the shared fiction, between the players and the GM.&nbsp; Everything else is, at best, a framework the GM uses to help present that world.&nbsp; The interactions you're talking about only matter because they were entered into the shared fiction.&nbsp; If you perturb group B because of something group A did, then the perturbation is entered into the shared fiction, and that matters.&nbsp; But if group C is never perturbed by this, then it just doesn't exist for them, despite however many pages the GM has devoted in their notes.&nbsp; And, the GM can change it for group C because of this.&nbsp; A preference to not to, for whatever reason, doesn't reify the notes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8224739, member: 16814"] It's not theoretical at all. I can absolutely tell you what it is in any given game. It is the fiction at the table, known to the GM and the players. Maybe one player, but still, it's what's shared. If it isn't shared, it's not shared fiction. There's nothing theoretical about this -- it's concrete and defined and exists in any RPG I'm aware of. Sure, a lot of the games I run don't either. My points about the difference between prep and shared fiction don't rely on any argument involving quantum wave functions. They hold valid if I'm talking about a 100% prep game (which is cool!) or an improv game. It's an argument based on the difference in how and when things can be changed, and this is never a function of GM choices to not change things. I... okay. Look, you may not have meant it this way, but this really reads terribly. It looks like you're saying that only the GM matters, that there's this massive fiction that the players are only graced with fractions that the GM wishes them to appreciate. It's... not a good look, and certainly suggests that the players are very unimportant to the game. If that's your intent, okay, but I think any useful discussion would be at an end. As for persistent, if the persistence is up to the GM's whim, it's not actually persistent. There's no reality of that game world, only the reality established in the shared fiction, between the players and the GM. Everything else is, at best, a framework the GM uses to help present that world. The interactions you're talking about only matter because they were entered into the shared fiction. If you perturb group B because of something group A did, then the perturbation is entered into the shared fiction, and that matters. But if group C is never perturbed by this, then it just doesn't exist for them, despite however many pages the GM has devoted in their notes. And, the GM can change it for group C because of this. A preference to not to, for whatever reason, doesn't reify the notes. [/QUOTE]

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