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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8091909" data-attributes="member: 16814">While I would agree there's a lot of people that likely only have experience in D&amp;D, your reasoning here is very flawed.&nbsp; It rests on two bad assumptions:&nbsp; 1) that people don't play in multiple games during the reporting period and 2) that this reporting period is the same for all reporting periods.Starting with 1), I have, during this reporting period, played/created characters in both a 5e game and a Blades game.&nbsp; Same for the last reporting period, with the addition of a Fiasco game.&nbsp; I also played around by creating a game for AW last reporting cycle to see what tools were available in Roll20, but didn't play.&nbsp; All of these hit the stats.&nbsp; I'm counted in both 5e and Blades in this cycle, but you cannot put that out from the stats as presented.&nbsp; What this means is that you cannot assume that the 5e player stat doesn't include people playing other games as well -- it's not all or nothing.&nbsp; I'll grant it's likely that a sizable chunk of the 5e player base is 5e only, but you can't get there from here.2) is more of the same.&nbsp; I can imagine a player that was playing Dungeon World exclusively in the last reporting cycle, but completed that game and is now playing 5e exclusively in this reporting cycle.&nbsp; This would go towards the large number of 5e players, but completely hides that, at one time, another game was played.&nbsp; So, you can't go from even the aggregate numbers over multiple cycles to say that 75% have ONLY played D&amp;D.&nbsp; Again, I think that's not far off from the truth, but you still can't get there from here.&nbsp; What those number show is that most games played at any given time are D&amp;D, but you can't pull out player experience with games from that data.&nbsp; Finally, &quot;story game&quot; has a particular meaning, and PbtA or Forged in the Dark games don't meet it.&nbsp; They're more narrative focused, yes, but are not story games.&nbsp; Fiasco is a story game.&nbsp; Apocalypse World or Blades are not story games.&nbsp; Minor quibble, really, but worthwhile to distinguish a game who's mechanics are more baton passing from a game that uses narrative techniques but still has a strong mechanic bite and defined player roles.&nbsp; That said, if you haven't tried Fiasco, it's simple and quick and, if you and your friends enjoy things going off the rails like a Cohen brothers movie, it delivers the goods.&nbsp; You can compete a game in an hour, easy, or two if you really like hamming it up (or it's your first go with it).&nbsp; But, if you do, then you'll see a difference between what's inarguably a story game (Fiasco) and what's not a story game (PbtA).&nbsp; Some games blur that line more than others -- I'm honestly not sure where Dread fits, but I currently have it more on the non-story game side of the line.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8091909, member: 16814"] While I would agree there's a lot of people that likely only have experience in D&D, your reasoning here is very flawed. It rests on two bad assumptions: 1) that people don't play in multiple games during the reporting period and 2) that this reporting period is the same for all reporting periods. Starting with 1), I have, during this reporting period, played/created characters in both a 5e game and a Blades game. Same for the last reporting period, with the addition of a Fiasco game. I also played around by creating a game for AW last reporting cycle to see what tools were available in Roll20, but didn't play. All of these hit the stats. I'm counted in both 5e and Blades in this cycle, but you cannot put that out from the stats as presented. What this means is that you cannot assume that the 5e player stat doesn't include people playing other games as well -- it's not all or nothing. I'll grant it's likely that a sizable chunk of the 5e player base is 5e only, but you can't get there from here. 2) is more of the same. I can imagine a player that was playing Dungeon World exclusively in the last reporting cycle, but completed that game and is now playing 5e exclusively in this reporting cycle. This would go towards the large number of 5e players, but completely hides that, at one time, another game was played. So, you can't go from even the aggregate numbers over multiple cycles to say that 75% have ONLY played D&D. Again, I think that's not far off from the truth, but you still can't get there from here. What those number show is that most games played at any given time are D&D, but you can't pull out player experience with games from that data. Finally, "story game" has a particular meaning, and PbtA or Forged in the Dark games don't meet it. They're more narrative focused, yes, but are not story games. Fiasco is a story game. Apocalypse World or Blades are not story games. Minor quibble, really, but worthwhile to distinguish a game who's mechanics are more baton passing from a game that uses narrative techniques but still has a strong mechanic bite and defined player roles. That said, if you haven't tried Fiasco, it's simple and quick and, if you and your friends enjoy things going off the rails like a Cohen brothers movie, it delivers the goods. You can compete a game in an hour, easy, or two if you really like hamming it up (or it's your first go with it). But, if you do, then you'll see a difference between what's inarguably a story game (Fiasco) and what's not a story game (PbtA). Some games blur that line more than others -- I'm honestly not sure where Dread fits, but I currently have it more on the non-story game side of the line. [/QUOTE]

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