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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fanboy2000" data-source="post: 5231845" data-attributes="member: 19998">All good questions. In my experience, player's get upset even when they survive.Player: I pull the chain!Me: O.k. [rolls dice] Does a 22 hit your reflex (touch AC, dodge, whatever you play, it could be a 22 reflex save)?Player: Yes.Me: O.k. it does 30 points of damage.Player: I'm unconscious.Cleric: Sigh...So far so good. Until later, when me and player and player are hanging out, he asks me what level or CR the trap was. (Note to new DMs, think of your selves as magicians, never tell your secrets! Learn from my mistakes!) I tell him. He goes crazy because the trap is, in his not so humble opinion, either to high in level and CR or the trap is to deadly for that level and CR. Attempts to point out that he survived fall on deaf ears.</blockquote>