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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 5231868" data-attributes="member: 467">I hate this. I hate it so much I can't even express it. The worst thing 3E did was&nbsp; give whiney players* an excuse for their whining via CRs and ELs (not to mention wealth by level guidelines). And the worst part is that it didn't even work -- CRs and ELs were broken from the get go anyway, so even following them could still result in an &quot;unfair&quot; encounter.Here's the thing: the world is not level appropriate. Players should have a reasonable expectation of being able to assess the general risks of any given activity, but the specifics are often hidden and unknown (or even yet to be determined; see &quot;Random Encounters&quot;). And it is entirely possible that your 2nd level party, while walking through the Forest of Unknowable Monstrosities, will get eaten by a Vampire Treant. They don't become Zombie Twigs just because you're too low level.*I don't mean to suggest all players are whiney, or that any complaints of fairness are due to whininess. Rather, there's a breed of player that will piss and moan about everything; you know who you are.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 5231868, member: 467"] I hate this. I hate it so much I can't even express it. The worst thing 3E did was give whiney players* an excuse for their whining via CRs and ELs (not to mention wealth by level guidelines). And the worst part is that it didn't even work -- CRs and ELs were broken from the get go anyway, so even following them could still result in an "unfair" encounter. Here's the thing: the world is not level appropriate. Players should have a reasonable expectation of being able to assess the general risks of any given activity, but the specifics are often hidden and unknown (or even yet to be determined; see "Random Encounters"). And it is entirely possible that your 2nd level party, while walking through the Forest of Unknowable Monstrosities, will get eaten by a Vampire Treant. They don't become Zombie Twigs just because you're too low level. *I don't mean to suggest all players are whiney, or that any complaints of fairness are due to whininess. Rather, there's a breed of player that will piss and moan about everything; you know who you are. [/QUOTE]

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