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<blockquote data-quote="Wombat" data-source="post: 2449736" data-attributes="member: 8447">Quite so -- both of them existed well before any games related to them; to count them as rpg-related books is to denigrate them.I have read some spinoff books (related to a game, a movie, a tv series, whatever) in my life, including a couple D&amp;D books.&nbsp; For the most part they have been attrocious.&nbsp; I can think of two Star Trek novels that were fairly good, but other than that, nothing.&nbsp; The D&amp;D books were probably the worst of the lot -- a couple of Forgotten Realms books (no, I don't remember the specific ones), but they essentially turned me off to the whole notion of gaming in FR from there on in.I read a lot.&nbsp; Fiction, nonfiction, long, short, difficult texts, simple ones, whatever.&nbsp; As far as fantasy is concerned, I love Charles deLint, Guy Gavriel Kay, Gene Wolfe, JRR Tolkein, Robert Holdstock, KJ Parker, and a few others, but I am even more a devotee of the Arthurian legends, from Geoffrey of Monmouth to modern authors.&nbsp; Would these be considered &quot;rpg-related&quot;, as Pendragon is still, however marginally, on the market?&nbsp; Then again, I am always quite willing to read history books, new and old, explorations of legends and mythology (primary sources, retellings, explications, etc.).For the most part, however, I put most gaming literature in the same category as most bestsellers and romance novels -- they are lightweight eyepopcorn with little that will draw me back for a second read.&nbsp; On the other hand, I love the Harry Dresden books of Jim Butcher, and they hardly classify as Great Literature.Am I hypocritical?&nbsp; Probably.&nbsp; But I like contraditions.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wombat, post: 2449736, member: 8447"] Quite so -- both of them existed well before any games related to them; to count them as rpg-related books is to denigrate them. I have read some spinoff books (related to a game, a movie, a tv series, whatever) in my life, including a couple D&D books. For the most part they have been attrocious. I can think of two [I]Star Trek[/I] novels that were fairly good, but other than that, nothing. The D&D books were probably the worst of the lot -- a couple of Forgotten Realms books (no, I don't remember the specific ones), but they essentially turned me off to the whole notion of gaming in FR from there on in. I read a lot. Fiction, nonfiction, long, short, difficult texts, simple ones, whatever. As far as fantasy is concerned, I love Charles deLint, Guy Gavriel Kay, Gene Wolfe, JRR Tolkein, Robert Holdstock, KJ Parker, and a few others, but I am even more a devotee of the Arthurian legends, from Geoffrey of Monmouth to modern authors. Would these be considered "rpg-related", as [I]Pendragon[/I] is still, however marginally, on the market? Then again, I am always quite willing to read history books, new and old, explorations of legends and mythology (primary sources, retellings, explications, etc.). For the most part, however, I put most gaming literature in the same category as most bestsellers and romance novels -- they are lightweight eyepopcorn with little that will draw me back for a second read. On the other hand, I love the [I]Harry Dresden[/I] books of Jim Butcher, and they hardly classify as Great Literature. Am I hypocritical? Probably. But I like contraditions. ;) [/QUOTE]

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