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<blockquote data-quote="npiccini" data-source="post: 1937191" data-attributes="member: 18769"><p>I have had this argument/discussion again and again with a few of my friends that were OT fans only. As im sure many of you have had. One of the things that helps me accept (but not love) the new trilogy is the realization and not denial of the fact that New Hope was not a great movie. Many of us, assuming certain ages, saw New Hope when we were kids, maybe not 7 but maybe 12-15. That adolescent love affair with a groundbreaking movie really allowed us to forgive many of the shortcomings of that film. Consequently, we internalized the idea of how good the movie was (for us) and we compare the new films to that unreaslitic standard. </p><p></p><p>The wooden acting of Ep I and II stands right alongside the wooden acting of Luke Skywalker in Ep I. The Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks go hand in hand with the kid appeal of the Jawas and R2 and 3PO. IMO many people just brush this comparison off and point to acting like Han Solo's. Remember, we are talking about finding a relative unknown like Ford who went on to become an accomplished actor. What are the odds of that happening again? i think Lucas has tried to do that, albeit without success using Portman and Christianson. </p><p></p><p>I think hands down, Ep V is the best. There is no comparison anywhere to the drama that plays out between luke and vader in cloud city alongside the capture and freezing of Han, betrayal of Lando and overall gloom in the feeling at the end of that film. WOW. </p><p></p><p>One of the problems with the new trilogy IMO, is the lack of clear villian. The films do not have them, adn the one shot at them is cut in half at the bottom of a reactor. This makes the film more about the looming potential of the future villian, anakin, and it makes any drama involved in the climax battles fall short. Did anyone really care about the Dooku/Yoda duel? I know they tried to get us involved by telling us (in the middle of the battle btw) that Yoda was his trainer. But really, no one cared. We were more in awe at Yoda's saber skills (whole other thread). I expect that drama to get better in Ep III when anakin and obi-wan finally have it out. That will have some real drama to it. Lets jsut hope that Lucas doesnt job us out on that and make it a thirty second lightsaber battle. It should be a full twenty minutes like the luke vader duel in Ep VI. If its not, I for one, will feel completely ripped off. </p><p></p><p>One of my friends, an OT enthusiast, believes Lucas is a "one trick pony" and the luck he had hitting it with the first film is now obvious as each film gets more and more away from the drama and feel of the OT. Im not in agreement with that. But its strange isnt it that the one film most fans agree was the best, was not directed by Lucas?</p><p></p><p>Well, sorry for the rambling, but I have to admit, I normally wouldnt post to something like this, but all the previous posts were in such a good spirit and not bashing that I felt people could actually post their views without being attacked as flaming. </p><p></p><p>Looking forward to May 19, 2005!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="npiccini, post: 1937191, member: 18769"] I have had this argument/discussion again and again with a few of my friends that were OT fans only. As im sure many of you have had. One of the things that helps me accept (but not love) the new trilogy is the realization and not denial of the fact that New Hope was not a great movie. Many of us, assuming certain ages, saw New Hope when we were kids, maybe not 7 but maybe 12-15. That adolescent love affair with a groundbreaking movie really allowed us to forgive many of the shortcomings of that film. Consequently, we internalized the idea of how good the movie was (for us) and we compare the new films to that unreaslitic standard. The wooden acting of Ep I and II stands right alongside the wooden acting of Luke Skywalker in Ep I. The Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks go hand in hand with the kid appeal of the Jawas and R2 and 3PO. IMO many people just brush this comparison off and point to acting like Han Solo's. Remember, we are talking about finding a relative unknown like Ford who went on to become an accomplished actor. What are the odds of that happening again? i think Lucas has tried to do that, albeit without success using Portman and Christianson. I think hands down, Ep V is the best. There is no comparison anywhere to the drama that plays out between luke and vader in cloud city alongside the capture and freezing of Han, betrayal of Lando and overall gloom in the feeling at the end of that film. WOW. One of the problems with the new trilogy IMO, is the lack of clear villian. The films do not have them, adn the one shot at them is cut in half at the bottom of a reactor. This makes the film more about the looming potential of the future villian, anakin, and it makes any drama involved in the climax battles fall short. Did anyone really care about the Dooku/Yoda duel? I know they tried to get us involved by telling us (in the middle of the battle btw) that Yoda was his trainer. But really, no one cared. We were more in awe at Yoda's saber skills (whole other thread). I expect that drama to get better in Ep III when anakin and obi-wan finally have it out. That will have some real drama to it. Lets jsut hope that Lucas doesnt job us out on that and make it a thirty second lightsaber battle. It should be a full twenty minutes like the luke vader duel in Ep VI. If its not, I for one, will feel completely ripped off. One of my friends, an OT enthusiast, believes Lucas is a "one trick pony" and the luck he had hitting it with the first film is now obvious as each film gets more and more away from the drama and feel of the OT. Im not in agreement with that. But its strange isnt it that the one film most fans agree was the best, was not directed by Lucas? Well, sorry for the rambling, but I have to admit, I normally wouldnt post to something like this, but all the previous posts were in such a good spirit and not bashing that I felt people could actually post their views without being attacked as flaming. Looking forward to May 19, 2005! [/QUOTE]
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