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<blockquote data-quote="thedungeondelver" data-source="post: 5771259" data-attributes="member: 34865"><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'">To the OP - why would I care that other people have the option in a game of <strong>D&D</strong> to do what they want as long as I'm getting equal support from the game in the direction I want to go in?</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'">I know people who boggle when I say my <strong>HERO SYSTEM</strong> group regularly runs 450 point supers games, that we might as well run 1000+ point games for all balance matters, that Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, etc. can all be done for 250 points and the super hard to beat bad guys for 300 points...but the thing is, I can do it. I can have stuff in my game they don't in theirs. That's why <strong>HERO SYSTEM</strong> is so less onerous (to me) - there's never been a massive sea-change in a game that's been around almost as long as <strong>D&D</strong> has been around. There are no 3etards, no 4Vengers, no 1e grognards...because we can all do the same stuff, and we all got the same level of support from <strong>I.C.E.</strong> (<em>nee</em> <strong>HERO GAMES</strong>).</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'">That <em>wasn't</em> the case for 30 years with <strong>AD&D</strong>. Second Edition tried to pretend 1e didn't exist. Third Edition said "Back to the dungeons, baby!" and promptly paved over a lot of good things from 1e (and yes, 2e!) in the process - only the OGL gave rise to OSRIC and allowed continued support for <strong>AD&D</strong> <em>and don't you think that <strong>WIZARDS OF THE COAST</strong> doesn't regret it</em>. But 4e was just flat out "Your game sucks, old games suck, you didn't play right, this is Year Zero." <em>That</em> sucked.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'">But all that's going away you see? You wanna play an RPG built around the core of <strong>AD&D</strong>? Now you have it. How about 4e with 3e things? You can have that too - <em>and it'll all be official, and it'll all be supported</em>.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'">So go - party on. There won't be any reason for any of us to feel "slighted".</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'">Oh, and someone mentioned "every time someone sees eladrin, they're going to be irritated" and so on - why? That's your game. That's not my game. My game is as official as yours is, and my game doesn't have 'em. You play at my table? Hell, maybe I'll let your eladrin in - one lone stranger from a strange land. I'm at your table? Maybe my antiquated Paladin who can't Mark a target or anything is of an ancient, simpler order. Or maybe he gains those powers, like Holger du Danske traveling to mythic Europe!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'">This could truly be the big tent guys - nobody has to hate anything.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'">Consider who's saying this. Me. The Hard-headed 1e Edition Warrior himself. Think about that.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'century gothic'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thedungeondelver, post: 5771259, member: 34865"] [FONT=century gothic] To the OP - why would I care that other people have the option in a game of [B]D&D[/B] to do what they want as long as I'm getting equal support from the game in the direction I want to go in? I know people who boggle when I say my [B]HERO SYSTEM[/B] group regularly runs 450 point supers games, that we might as well run 1000+ point games for all balance matters, that Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, etc. can all be done for 250 points and the super hard to beat bad guys for 300 points...but the thing is, I can do it. I can have stuff in my game they don't in theirs. That's why [B]HERO SYSTEM[/B] is so less onerous (to me) - there's never been a massive sea-change in a game that's been around almost as long as [B]D&D[/B] has been around. There are no 3etards, no 4Vengers, no 1e grognards...because we can all do the same stuff, and we all got the same level of support from [B]I.C.E.[/B] ([I]nee[/I] [B]HERO GAMES[/B]). That [I]wasn't[/I] the case for 30 years with [B]AD&D[/B]. Second Edition tried to pretend 1e didn't exist. Third Edition said "Back to the dungeons, baby!" and promptly paved over a lot of good things from 1e (and yes, 2e!) in the process - only the OGL gave rise to OSRIC and allowed continued support for [B]AD&D[/B] [I]and don't you think that [B]WIZARDS OF THE COAST[/B] doesn't regret it[/I]. But 4e was just flat out "Your game sucks, old games suck, you didn't play right, this is Year Zero." [I]That[/I] sucked. But all that's going away you see? You wanna play an RPG built around the core of [B]AD&D[/B]? Now you have it. How about 4e with 3e things? You can have that too - [I]and it'll all be official, and it'll all be supported[/I]. So go - party on. There won't be any reason for any of us to feel "slighted". Oh, and someone mentioned "every time someone sees eladrin, they're going to be irritated" and so on - why? That's your game. That's not my game. My game is as official as yours is, and my game doesn't have 'em. You play at my table? Hell, maybe I'll let your eladrin in - one lone stranger from a strange land. I'm at your table? Maybe my antiquated Paladin who can't Mark a target or anything is of an ancient, simpler order. Or maybe he gains those powers, like Holger du Danske traveling to mythic Europe! This could truly be the big tent guys - nobody has to hate anything. Consider who's saying this. Me. The Hard-headed 1e Edition Warrior himself. Think about that. [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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