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<blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 388490" data-attributes="member: 812"><p>I always wonder about these notions. I mean, sure, of course, Japanese and Korean martial arts owe a great deal to the Chinese tradition -- ALL aspects of Japanese and Korean culture owe a lot to Chinese traditions. But the idea that all martial arts in some way descend from Shaolin seems pretty suspect to me.</p><p></p><p>Everyone, everywhere, has always had a need to defend themselves. Some people, some times, get interested in figuring out how to do it better, and start up training people how to do it. One usually sees this happening in a culture where a long period of conflict is suddenly ended, but regardless, one sees this trend occuring in so many cultures at so many different points of history that I wonder if any one point in time and space can with much legitimacy claim to be the "founding" of martial arts.</p><p></p><p>The fact that, for example, all Chinese arts employ elements drawn from Shaolin (not saying they do; what I know about Chinese arts will fit comfortably into a Chinese teacup) doesn't in any way prove that Shaolin is the foundation of all those arts -- any of them could have formed independently and picked up Shaolin traits as time went by.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, you didn't actually SAY that Shaolin was the founder of all martial arts, I'm just curious as to what the majority opinion is here -- is Shaolin where it all comes from or not?</p><p></p><p>I say not. I say that Shaolin very clearly hit on some powerful techniques not only for fighting but also for teaching, and that those propogated outwards and were adopted (or parallel-y developed) by groups and styles all over the place. But martial arts are a human institution that no one culture has a founding claim to.</p><p></p><p>And zdanboy -- I agree. Go with Hung Gar. </p><p></p><p>*shrugs*</p><p></p><p>It sounds pretty cool, alright.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="barsoomcore, post: 388490, member: 812"] I always wonder about these notions. I mean, sure, of course, Japanese and Korean martial arts owe a great deal to the Chinese tradition -- ALL aspects of Japanese and Korean culture owe a lot to Chinese traditions. But the idea that all martial arts in some way descend from Shaolin seems pretty suspect to me. Everyone, everywhere, has always had a need to defend themselves. Some people, some times, get interested in figuring out how to do it better, and start up training people how to do it. One usually sees this happening in a culture where a long period of conflict is suddenly ended, but regardless, one sees this trend occuring in so many cultures at so many different points of history that I wonder if any one point in time and space can with much legitimacy claim to be the "founding" of martial arts. The fact that, for example, all Chinese arts employ elements drawn from Shaolin (not saying they do; what I know about Chinese arts will fit comfortably into a Chinese teacup) doesn't in any way prove that Shaolin is the foundation of all those arts -- any of them could have formed independently and picked up Shaolin traits as time went by. Anyway, you didn't actually SAY that Shaolin was the founder of all martial arts, I'm just curious as to what the majority opinion is here -- is Shaolin where it all comes from or not? I say not. I say that Shaolin very clearly hit on some powerful techniques not only for fighting but also for teaching, and that those propogated outwards and were adopted (or parallel-y developed) by groups and styles all over the place. But martial arts are a human institution that no one culture has a founding claim to. And zdanboy -- I agree. Go with Hung Gar. *shrugs* It sounds pretty cool, alright. [/QUOTE]
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