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<blockquote data-quote="Tigris" data-source="post: 9848611" data-attributes="member: 7043270"><p>In PF1 so normally do not have to think about drawing a weapon because you can just draw it while moving, at least from level 2 (most weapon using classes from level 1) in PF2 this always needs an action and you need to think about it. Being able to just ignore this makes it easier. </p><p></p><p>In PF1 there is 1 type of general opportunity action, which can be used when enemy moves out of reach, or uses an action which provokes an opportunity attack. Only 2 conditions. The one using the action should know the action and thus does know if it provokes an opportunity attack or not. This is 1 trait. "provokes opportunity action", people doing the actions need to know, especially because this is big and general rule.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In PF2 there are several traits which can trigger an attack of opportunity. (Move action, manipulate action, ranged attack, in addition to movement). Also different classes (and monsters) can have different "opportunity attacks". Some also trigger on concentrate actions, and can even be taken with ranged attacks: <a href="https://2e.aonprd.com/Actions.aspx?ID=1234" target="_blank">Implement's Interruption - Actions - Archives of Nethys: Pathfinder 2nd Edition Database</a> This is like 90% opportunity action, but not exactly. So now you must ask the person if an action has a manipulate trait, or in this other case a "concentration" trait, which they might not know, because it never came up. </p><p></p><p>"This provokes attacks of opportunities" is easier to understand and remember than traits, which by themselves do nothing (and thus you can forget), but may come up when an enemy has a specific ability.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tigris, post: 9848611, member: 7043270"] In PF1 so normally do not have to think about drawing a weapon because you can just draw it while moving, at least from level 2 (most weapon using classes from level 1) in PF2 this always needs an action and you need to think about it. Being able to just ignore this makes it easier. In PF1 there is 1 type of general opportunity action, which can be used when enemy moves out of reach, or uses an action which provokes an opportunity attack. Only 2 conditions. The one using the action should know the action and thus does know if it provokes an opportunity attack or not. This is 1 trait. "provokes opportunity action", people doing the actions need to know, especially because this is big and general rule. In PF2 there are several traits which can trigger an attack of opportunity. (Move action, manipulate action, ranged attack, in addition to movement). Also different classes (and monsters) can have different "opportunity attacks". Some also trigger on concentrate actions, and can even be taken with ranged attacks: [URL="https://2e.aonprd.com/Actions.aspx?ID=1234"]Implement's Interruption - Actions - Archives of Nethys: Pathfinder 2nd Edition Database[/URL] This is like 90% opportunity action, but not exactly. So now you must ask the person if an action has a manipulate trait, or in this other case a "concentration" trait, which they might not know, because it never came up. "This provokes attacks of opportunities" is easier to understand and remember than traits, which by themselves do nothing (and thus you can forget), but may come up when an enemy has a specific ability. [/QUOTE]
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