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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tigris" data-source="post: 9848867" data-attributes="member: 7043270">I am pretty sure that the convolutedness of the classes is wanted / by design.(Rulebook organization most likely not, this happens also in games which want to be streamlined (Draw Steel, Gloomhaven RPG) and other games (goblin slayer)).Paizo does want PF2 classes to look complex, but do want it to still be balanced.To a point where they made a really really tight balance, where its really limited in what you can do with a really precise scaling. (Like even agile weapon and non agile 1dice size higher weapons do in average situations almost exactly the same damage, most martials do around 2 basic attacks (hidden behind class features) with some class feature to improve basic attacks in similar scaling ways).And now because the target audience are people which like system mastery, complexity and many options etc. you add complexity and convolution on top of it to make classes look more different.Thats why you name the same class feature (proficiency rank in a safe improves to next level) different between different classes.Thats why you call basic attacks strikes, and dont have class features improving them passive, but instead have named class features which names, which do basic attacks but with a small bonus. If 3 different classes get an additional basic attack (via the flurry tag), you make sure they have 3 different names, and have slightly differences between them. (Monk, Ranger, and was the 3rd  Fighter?).This way classes are feeling more different (to some players), because "you dont do just basic attacks, do you things like flurry of blows, Twin takedown or Double Slice". (Which all just do 2 basic attacks (the last one with a different bonus than the first two but still)).The part in the "" is a quote from a PF2 fan from reddit. They really believed that the martial classes are doing so much more than basic attacks, and then brought as example attacks like flurry of blows. So this convolution helps, it make people believe that their basic attacks are different from other peoples, because they have a different name.</blockquote>

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