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<blockquote data-quote="Shirt Guy John" data-source="post: 490532" data-attributes="member: 2356">Not to piss anyone off, or to downplay the rules, but I have no problem with haste as it is.&nbsp; As with most spells, its broken if the characters make it broken.&nbsp; I'm not a DM, but a player, and whatever you may say, it is not a &quot;must have&quot; spell for your survival, and even if it was, I don't think the &quot;must have&quot; criteria is that good of a balancing factor for the game as a whole.&nbsp; I mean, in our group, I have yet to see a fighter without weapon focus or a cleric without cure light wounds, and I doubt that either of those would ever be called overpowered.It shouldn't be a must-have spell.&nbsp; If the players percieve it as such, then they're either recieving too hard of challenges, or they're overly focused on combat.&nbsp; If the game were combat focused, then i would say yes, haste would be essential.&nbsp; I'd like to think that I and my DM are both adult enough to not try to munchkinize the whole game to the point where Haste is essential to anyone's survial.Is it a good spell?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; Is it worth having?&nbsp; Most of the time, Hell yeah.&nbsp; Is it game breaking?&nbsp; Not any more than a lot of the d20 system can be if you work at it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shirt Guy John, post: 490532, member: 2356"] Not to piss anyone off, or to downplay the rules, but I have no problem with haste as it is. As with most spells, its broken if the characters make it broken. I'm not a DM, but a player, and whatever you may say, it is not a "must have" spell for your survival, and even if it was, I don't think the "must have" criteria is that good of a balancing factor for the game as a whole. I mean, in our group, I have yet to see a fighter without weapon focus or a cleric without cure light wounds, and I doubt that either of those would ever be called overpowered. It shouldn't be a must-have spell. If the players percieve it as such, then they're either recieving too hard of challenges, or they're overly focused on combat. If the game were combat focused, then i would say yes, haste would be essential. I'd like to think that I and my DM are both adult enough to not try to munchkinize the whole game to the point where Haste is essential to anyone's survial. Is it a good spell? Yes. Is it worth having? Most of the time, Hell yeah. Is it game breaking? Not any more than a lot of the d20 system can be if you work at it. [/QUOTE]

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