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<blockquote data-quote="Hannibal Barca" data-source="post: 490732" data-attributes="member: 2775">I'm stunned at the number of people who believe haste is an appropiate 3rd level spell. A number of clearly expressed reasons as to why it is overpowered for its level have been stated above. If this spell is not imbalanced then what spell is? As for the pro &quot;haste as is is fine&quot; side who state that appropiate responses to haste exist, they don't (or won't) see that combat predicated on reactivity is usually doomed to failure. Napoleon once said &quot;The logical end of defense is surrender.&quot; He was right. If you are &quot;meta-memorizing&quot; your spells to include slow and dispel magic (solid spells in their own right) to address haste spells, the proof is is self evident. Move it to 4th.Other red flag spells: Shield (should be 2nd), Ice Burst (should be 4th), Improved Invisibility (should be 5th), and Spikes (should be 4th or even 5th).Honorable mention: Greater Magic Weapon</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hannibal Barca, post: 490732, member: 2775"] I'm stunned at the number of people who believe haste is an appropiate 3rd level spell. A number of clearly expressed reasons as to why it is overpowered for its level have been stated above. If this spell is not imbalanced then what spell is? As for the pro "haste as is is fine" side who state that appropiate responses to haste exist, they don't (or won't) see that combat predicated on reactivity is usually doomed to failure. Napoleon once said "The logical end of defense is surrender." He was right. If you are "meta-memorizing" your spells to include slow and dispel magic (solid spells in their own right) to address haste spells, the proof is is self evident. Move it to 4th. Other red flag spells: Shield (should be 2nd), Ice Burst (should be 4th), Improved Invisibility (should be 5th), and Spikes (should be 4th or even 5th). Honorable mention: Greater Magic Weapon [/QUOTE]

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