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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mulkhoran" data-source="post: 491527" data-attributes="member: 894">Well, this is going to sound a little insane, but:Haste should probably be higher level. I play with it at 3rd, and so do the people I game with.Just like we play with Magic Missile and Shield at 1st level.  Mages generally suck, no matter what arguments you can launch about the improved invisible flying mage. No one else's effectiveness is completely dependent on their spellcasting ability, not even sorcerer. There are some spells available to them at lower levels that make them viable over the longer term, specifically Magic Missile and Haste.How many of you have actually played a 3E mage? I have, from 3rd to 16th level so far. Spell slots are PRECIOUS. Believe it or not, I could rarely find space for more than one per day.  You try to be ready for everything. And you have multiple encounters. Sometimes, I would end adventuring days with it still memorized, having saved it each encounter for "something more deadly that might come along".  The duration sucks. It's a one-encounter spell. I find it funny that people talk about how Boots of Haste aren't as good as the spell because they're only 10 rounds a day.  A 5th level Wizard gets 5 rounds/day per spell slot.  And every spell slot you dedicate to getting that extra partial action is a slot you don't have for other spells, and another spell to burn per round.And don't give me that flak about scrolls/potions/items that are the wizards forte. We're talking about the SPELL, not some items that you MAY have the time/money/xp to make, and will cost you exhaustive amounts of time/money/xp if you want to craft them at a caster level that gives you a decent duration.Never mind Slow, never mind it being countered, it just isn't that powerful. Especially in multiple-encounter days. It's an essential part of a Wizard's effectiveness.</blockquote>

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