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<blockquote data-quote="Grog" data-source="post: 492243" data-attributes="member: 6183"><p>Are you kidding? A spell that's the only way to save the party's fighter when he gets dominated, can serve as a potential counter to ANY spell, can remove all sorts of bad effects enemies love to place on the party, can remove all sorts of buff spells from the enemy, etc. That's easily worth a 9th level spell slot.</p><p></p><p>You say why bother dispelling magic when you can just cast Meteor Swarm instead? Well, you can make that argument at any spell level. Why bother casting a 3rd level Dispel Magic when you can just cast a Fireball instead? The answer is, sometimes the Dispel is going to be more beneficial to the party than an offensive spell. And if some of the spells the enemy has on him are fire protections, Meteor Swarm isn't going to be very effective. If you run up against a tank cleric with a dozen buff spells on him, Dispel Magic is going to mean the difference between facing an enemy with second-rate combat ability and facing a potentially lethal killing machine.</p><p></p><p>In fact, I would submit that NO spell, not even Haste, has as much potential to turn the tide of a battle as a properly used Dispel Magic. If burning a 9th level spell slot was the only way to get that benefit, you can bet most people would do it without a second thought.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grog, post: 492243, member: 6183"] Are you kidding? A spell that's the only way to save the party's fighter when he gets dominated, can serve as a potential counter to ANY spell, can remove all sorts of bad effects enemies love to place on the party, can remove all sorts of buff spells from the enemy, etc. That's easily worth a 9th level spell slot. You say why bother dispelling magic when you can just cast Meteor Swarm instead? Well, you can make that argument at any spell level. Why bother casting a 3rd level Dispel Magic when you can just cast a Fireball instead? The answer is, sometimes the Dispel is going to be more beneficial to the party than an offensive spell. And if some of the spells the enemy has on him are fire protections, Meteor Swarm isn't going to be very effective. If you run up against a tank cleric with a dozen buff spells on him, Dispel Magic is going to mean the difference between facing an enemy with second-rate combat ability and facing a potentially lethal killing machine. In fact, I would submit that NO spell, not even Haste, has as much potential to turn the tide of a battle as a properly used Dispel Magic. If burning a 9th level spell slot was the only way to get that benefit, you can bet most people would do it without a second thought. [/QUOTE]
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