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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 499929" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p><strong>Re</strong></p><p></p><p>Hong,</p><p></p><p>How am I fighting the system in 3rd edition? This I do not understand.</p><p></p><p>D&D wizards are far more powerful than any other class, especially so in the official D&D campaign setting known as the Forgotten Realms.</p><p></p><p>Am I wrong here? Quite a few people on this board here want to reduce the effectiveness of haste. They do not want to reduce it because it is too strong by itself, they want to reduce it because it is too strong in conjunction with other spells.</p><p></p><p>Arcane casters will still have access to higher level spells even if they don't have access to haste. <strong>All removing haste will do is make the combats last longer, it will not change their outcome.</strong></p><p></p><p>That is one of the main reasons I see zero benefit in changing haste. Haste by itself is not overpowered, it is haste in conjunction with higher level spells that make it overpowered. This is inherently a problem with the magic system, which greatly favors casters, arcane casters the most.</p><p></p><p>I am in no way fighting the 3rd edition rules by stating that arcane casters are by far the most powerful class. 1st edition casters are hardly more powerful than 3rd edition casters. They didn't even have metamagic in 3rd edition and haste didn't even allow an extra spell to be cast. The extra spell casting is purely a 3rd edition addition. </p><p></p><p>Spellcasters have never been more powerful than in 3rd edition D&D. I have played since Basic D&D, and I have never seen casters so powerful as now. Heck, even clerics are far superior to any version of the cleric I have ever seen.</p><p></p><p>Wake up to the reality Hong, 3rd edition D&D is heavily slighted towards caster classes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 499929, member: 5834"] [b]Re[/b] Hong, How am I fighting the system in 3rd edition? This I do not understand. D&D wizards are far more powerful than any other class, especially so in the official D&D campaign setting known as the Forgotten Realms. Am I wrong here? Quite a few people on this board here want to reduce the effectiveness of haste. They do not want to reduce it because it is too strong by itself, they want to reduce it because it is too strong in conjunction with other spells. Arcane casters will still have access to higher level spells even if they don't have access to haste. [b]All removing haste will do is make the combats last longer, it will not change their outcome.[/b] That is one of the main reasons I see zero benefit in changing haste. Haste by itself is not overpowered, it is haste in conjunction with higher level spells that make it overpowered. This is inherently a problem with the magic system, which greatly favors casters, arcane casters the most. I am in no way fighting the 3rd edition rules by stating that arcane casters are by far the most powerful class. 1st edition casters are hardly more powerful than 3rd edition casters. They didn't even have metamagic in 3rd edition and haste didn't even allow an extra spell to be cast. The extra spell casting is purely a 3rd edition addition. Spellcasters have never been more powerful than in 3rd edition D&D. I have played since Basic D&D, and I have never seen casters so powerful as now. Heck, even clerics are far superior to any version of the cleric I have ever seen. Wake up to the reality Hong, 3rd edition D&D is heavily slighted towards caster classes. [/QUOTE]
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