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<blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 565228" data-attributes="member: 1134">Re: My opinionI'm not going to massively disagree with your conclusion that haste is too good for 3rd level without a costly component.(I'd rather it be bumped up a level, I never cast spells with costly material components it IMO suckifies every spell)&nbsp; But I masively disagree with your assesment that haste is virtually always the goto spell.&nbsp; Anyone who plays their wiz/sors like that is playing their character extremely poorly. &nbsp;Many encoutners are much more effected by a single slow spell(to the point that casting haste would be a waste), a fireball can suffieciently end a large range of encounters, again making haste a waste, heck web frequently is much more useful to cast than a haste.&nbsp; People who always goto haste are wasting spells and not being even remotely cost effective with their spellcasters.&nbsp; This matters little in the one encounter per day style of gaming, but in games where you have multiple encounters per day like a dungeon crawl, or games with a time limit you need to end encoutners in the fewest spells and resources spent possible.&nbsp; Sometimes that means haste, and lots of other spells to reduce HP loss on your side, other times other spells do a much bette job without needing a haste.In any big encoutner yes your likely to see haste cast.&nbsp; It is one of the few buffs out there that helps out every class, and one of the very few that actually helps out the wiz/sor in ways other than simple protection.&nbsp; Also other than its slot it has no cost, sicne you gai the extra partial aciton the round you cast the spell.&nbsp; which the more i think about it the more I think that itself might be enough of a nerf, if you don't have a round to set up, casting this spell would be a round your not doing anything to stop your foes, and many times you just don't have a round to spend on a virtual non-acitonso you'll be better in future rounds.&nbsp; I'd probably still place it at 4th level, it would just be a slightly weak 4th level then.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shard O'Glase, post: 565228, member: 1134"] [b]Re: My opinion[/b] I'm not going to massively disagree with your conclusion that haste is too good for 3rd level without a costly component.(I'd rather it be bumped up a level, I never cast spells with costly material components it IMO suckifies every spell) But I masively disagree with your assesment that haste is virtually always the goto spell. Anyone who plays their wiz/sors like that is playing their character extremely poorly. Many encoutners are much more effected by a single slow spell(to the point that casting haste would be a waste), a fireball can suffieciently end a large range of encounters, again making haste a waste, heck web frequently is much more useful to cast than a haste. People who always goto haste are wasting spells and not being even remotely cost effective with their spellcasters. This matters little in the one encounter per day style of gaming, but in games where you have multiple encounters per day like a dungeon crawl, or games with a time limit you need to end encoutners in the fewest spells and resources spent possible. Sometimes that means haste, and lots of other spells to reduce HP loss on your side, other times other spells do a much bette job without needing a haste. In any big encoutner yes your likely to see haste cast. It is one of the few buffs out there that helps out every class, and one of the very few that actually helps out the wiz/sor in ways other than simple protection. Also other than its slot it has no cost, sicne you gai the extra partial aciton the round you cast the spell. which the more i think about it the more I think that itself might be enough of a nerf, if you don't have a round to set up, casting this spell would be a round your not doing anything to stop your foes, and many times you just don't have a round to spend on a virtual non-acitonso you'll be better in future rounds. I'd probably still place it at 4th level, it would just be a slightly weak 4th level then. [/QUOTE]

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