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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bawylie" data-source="post: 7080954" data-attributes="member: 6776133">Yes I use passive insight and passive perception. Here's how:When a character is engaged in activity, and their attention is on that activity, I use passive scores to determine whether or what they may otherwise notice. For instance, while mining mithril, ill use PP to see if any character notices danger of a cave-in somewhere or a goblin ambush some time. Likewise with passive insight. I have also used those numbers as "defenses" a la 4E, where someone is attempting a deception or sneaky move, but the character is not actively looking for deception or sneakies. And here's the thing. The idea of a floor and ceiling being fixed isn't a problem. Not at all. It's a baseline on which a player can decide something like, "I have a passive insight of 14, so I'm decent at this, and I really think something's funky here, so I'm going to take action to see if I can confirm my suspicions." And then I can ask for a roll. It's like when you set a scenario, you give players info on which to make decisions and act. The passive support that function. And they do it automatically, without pausing. Which lets me move from transition to setup to "what do you do" without everyone throwing dice and then me saying what I was going to say anyway. Passives are a tool. They serve plenty of worthwhile functions. They don't serve every situation. If you can't find a use for them, that's okay. But frankly for me they're a bit like an extended socket wrench. Good lord, when you need it...-Brad</blockquote>

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