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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5534455" data-attributes="member: 92511">Well, maybe not halflings...unless you're playing Darksun. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Have I personally, not normally for "unprovoked attacks". I will reiterate that everything that attacks the PC is doing so for some legitimate reason to them. In the case of PC races that are thought of as "good" (dwarves and elves, specifically) I, personally, haven't "attacked" a party with them. But interfere, imprison, impede, deny access to places/guard their territory...Yes! Most certainly.Dwarves are (or were originally) portrayed as greedy...they want their riches to be theirs and will guard them accordingly...and they want YOUR riches to be theirs. Elves are traditionally, at worst, bordering on the xenophobic or, at best, aloof/have a societal belief in their superiority to...well, just about any other race. Gnomes are, well, just gnomes. You're not getting anywhere with them that doesn't give them a laugh or serve their purposes.I remember...sometimes OFTEN..."back in the day" (1 or 2e) where a "Wandering Monster" encounter could easily be a warband of dwarves or elves or gnomes or halflings (depending on the terrain)...And they were NOT there to "help" the party. (I'm remembering a particularly embarrassing encounter where a fairly sizable mid-level party I was a member of was brought to near TPK and taken prisoner by a group of gnomes.)On the "using monsters" tip, I have a band of goblin pirates that my current group will be dealing with shortly. While I don't have a player using one, I would not be averse to having a player create a goblin character.My game world also allows for such "monster" PCs as Centaurs, Satyrs, Lizardmen plus some homebrew races (an avian and a felinoid) that could easily be encountered as "monsters" even if there were a PC of one of those races in the group.I couldn't/wouldn't (as a DM) open the floodgates of "any monstrous humanoids can be PCs"...but for a chosen few that have a certain flavor (and don't have outrageous abilities) or particular place in the setting, I see no problem with using "monsters as PCs" nor with using "(traditional) PC races as 'monsters'".--Steel Dragons</blockquote>

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