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<blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 7398633" data-attributes="member: 6688277"><p>All that makes sense and I use those examples too. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>As I said I'm not locked into the SC, I see it as another tool in the box.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not necessarily 100% convinced of this as I think it depends on the challenge (and the Rules Compendium allows for both options), but to be honest I know I do not have the experience you have had with the mechanic. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, but who says they do not know the rules?</p><p>I narrate something, the players decide how to overcome it using one of their skills. If there are options available on that specific skill check, I let them know before hand. Yes, I might be hiding the fact that they are in a SC but that is it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not believe this fits the scenario's I'm proposing. @<em><strong><u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6775031" target="_blank">Saelorn</a></u></strong></em> imagine you and the rest of the party are investigating a murder scene. I as DM have secretly set up a SC. Should you succeed in the SC you catch the perpetrator before he murders someone else, should you fail the SC you are too late in stopping him perform the 2nd murder.</p><p></p><p>I do not see how the PCs' actions in the murder investigation change whether they know they are part of a SC or not. How has their ability to make meaningful decisions been tampered with?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good point!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course this comes down to preference, as it always does. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>I can perhaps explain why I'm not a fan (anymore) of what you described above. On a daily basis, I would imagine the PCs would navigate the wilderness, scout ahead, look for adequate shelter and avoid monsters...etc. I do not wish to have these rolls made daily (not that you are saying that), but for consistency's sake why do I insist a roll be made on day 1 and day 5 but not on the days in between or after 5? </p><p></p><p>If you are saying yes, that the PCs should make 5-10 rolls daily I guess that is where our difference in role-playstyle lies in that I would prefer to make x checks over specific decision making points as arisen out of the narration and conclude the success or failure of the week's journey from that than make inconsistent rolls at odd days or 50-100 rolls over the course of the week.</p><p></p><p>I guess I prefer the guideline/structure the SC mechanic provides, should I wish to use it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair enough.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sadras, post: 7398633, member: 6688277"] All that makes sense and I use those examples too. :) As I said I'm not locked into the SC, I see it as another tool in the box. I'm not necessarily 100% convinced of this as I think it depends on the challenge (and the Rules Compendium allows for both options), but to be honest I know I do not have the experience you have had with the mechanic. Sure, but who says they do not know the rules? I narrate something, the players decide how to overcome it using one of their skills. If there are options available on that specific skill check, I let them know before hand. Yes, I might be hiding the fact that they are in a SC but that is it. I do not believe this fits the scenario's I'm proposing. @[I][B][U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6775031"]Saelorn[/URL][/U][/B][/I] imagine you and the rest of the party are investigating a murder scene. I as DM have secretly set up a SC. Should you succeed in the SC you catch the perpetrator before he murders someone else, should you fail the SC you are too late in stopping him perform the 2nd murder. I do not see how the PCs' actions in the murder investigation change whether they know they are part of a SC or not. How has their ability to make meaningful decisions been tampered with? Good point! Of course this comes down to preference, as it always does. :) I can perhaps explain why I'm not a fan (anymore) of what you described above. On a daily basis, I would imagine the PCs would navigate the wilderness, scout ahead, look for adequate shelter and avoid monsters...etc. I do not wish to have these rolls made daily (not that you are saying that), but for consistency's sake why do I insist a roll be made on day 1 and day 5 but not on the days in between or after 5? If you are saying yes, that the PCs should make 5-10 rolls daily I guess that is where our difference in role-playstyle lies in that I would prefer to make x checks over specific decision making points as arisen out of the narration and conclude the success or failure of the week's journey from that than make inconsistent rolls at odd days or 50-100 rolls over the course of the week. I guess I prefer the guideline/structure the SC mechanic provides, should I wish to use it. Fair enough. [/QUOTE]
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