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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5256309" data-attributes="member: 61155">My current game is pretty much by the book, with some other elements added in. I've made excellent use of Manual of the Planes and the various location books for the party's planar traveling. They are currently invading the Abyss and getting to face off with various 4E demon lords.  At the same time, the ultimate Big Bad is Ymir, conceptually taken straight out of Norse myth - in this case, among the first of the primordials, slain by Odin and the world formed from his essence. (Whether this is literal, or simply a metaphor for the primordials providing the power that formed with the world and the gods providing the will to shape it, I've left unclear. Both are true, essentially, and neither.) So - not a standard Primordial, but one that fits in smoothly alongside the core concepts of the setting. And thus I've been able to use both existing myths alongside 4E concepts and get the best of both worlds.  I've got another setting, on the other hand, in which I use most of the 4E concepts, but with completely different background for pretty much everything in the setting.  It all depends on what suits the game being run, in the end.</blockquote>