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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8275634" data-attributes="member: 29398">Further, the fiction is changed by the fact that the PCs now have to look for a Plan B with regards to getting through this door.I would never do this, in that to me that one roll represents the BEST attempt you're going to be able to put at it without some material change in the fiction; any other attempts give at best the same result.Take-20 (or equivalent) is IMO an awful mechanic - one of the very worst ideas 3e produced - in that it makes everything into an absolutely binary pass-fail situation when there's no external pressure.  I still want that element of luck involved; I can't pick this lock but maybe [mechanically-identical] you can, or I can try again if-when I get a better set of thieves' tolls or advance a level.</blockquote>