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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 8276891" data-attributes="member: 6677017">Something has always bothered me about the interpretation that automatic success in 5e isn‘t effectively take 20. If it isn‘t that, are we saying you can succeed at this task even though if I were to assign a fitting difficulty to it that difficulty would be so high that you would still fail on a 20? With the flatter math in 5e that wouldn’t even make sense. In systems with more squishy moving parts than D&amp;D, like a narrative focus where difficulty follows needs of the story or something, it might make more sense, but in 5e where DCs are assigned on what is intended to be an essentially static scale, it really doesn’t. It could make reasonable sense to say that someone has no chance of success attempting something and just skip a DC (though players often wouldn't like that if its something they want to try), but the other direction, where you auto-succeed regardless of whether you could beat a hypothetical DC or not makes little sense and mathematically would almost never come up anyway. A commitment to that angle seems to me both more philosophical than practical, and not a fit that‘s easy to make in D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 8276891, member: 6677017"] Something has always bothered me about the interpretation that automatic success in 5e [I]isn‘t[/I] effectively take 20. If it isn‘t that, are we saying you can succeed at this task even though if I were to assign a fitting difficulty to it that difficulty would be so high that you would still fail on a 20? With the flatter math in 5e that wouldn’t even make sense. In systems with more squishy moving parts than D&D, like a narrative focus where difficulty follows needs of the story or something, it might make more sense, but in 5e where DCs are assigned on what is intended to be an essentially static scale, it really doesn’t. It could make reasonable sense to say that someone has no chance of success attempting something and just skip a DC (though players often wouldn't like that if its something they want to try), but the other direction, where you auto-succeed regardless of whether you could beat a hypothetical DC or not makes little sense and mathematically would almost never come up anyway. A commitment to that angle seems to me both more philosophical than practical, and not a fit that‘s easy to make in D&D. [/QUOTE]

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